Newsom has some balls for agreeing to Hannity as a moderator
this post was submitted on 03 Aug 2023
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When you speak the truth, you don't need a special referee. Bernie went on a Fox News town hall and got an audience to mostly all raise their hands in support of Medicare for all.
We all have more in common, once we all sober up...
You do however need an impartial one. Going on Fox to debate facts is a bit like train to explain quantum physics to a duck.
It won't work and everyone will think you're weird for trying.
Fox doesn't have right wing leadings, it's straight up propaganda. Truth and objective reality are completely irrelevant. They're the one saying trump will run from prison, which obviously he won't be allowed to do, but they say it anyway, they are not going to care about the truth.
True, but he will only do it live and that is an opportunity to reach people, and it will be obvious if they are being unfair
Looks like Lemmy has not seen Newsom debate. And apparently didn’t see Newsom school Hannity on his show last month.
I don't know California politics other than as it relates to national. What's Newsom's angle here? I ask because, at least at a glance, this seems like a loser for him. The best he can hope for is to demolish DeSantis. Let's assume he does--and it's certainly not a sure thing (the deck is stacked against him with the ref playing for the other team, after all)--but so what? DeSantis's fire is almost already out, and if it doesn't die on its own or thanks to Mr. Orange Indictment, the Mouse will finish him. Newsom's already a rising star; if he annihilates DeSantis he's basically punching down, and he's taking a huge risk by even volunteering for this, since if he fucks up he's done in national politics before he even started.
The best I can come up with is that this is a play by the party at large to try to revitalize Florida Man's campaign by getting some free press on him, either to force Trump to spend more to squash him or try to get a repeat of 1972 (i.e., Trump as Muskie). However, that's giving the Democratic party a lot of credit and making some pretty cynical assumptions about their future plans for Newsom.
This has been Newsome's shtick for a minute. During his reelection campaign, he spent campaign funds advertising on Fox in Florida. He's been going to red states to give speeches. He gave an interview to Sean Hannity just a month or so ago. He's brandishing his reputation as a democratic fighter not afraid to go into hostile territory and news environments to stand up for liberal values.
DeSanits in particular has been a foil for Newsome since at least the coronavirus days when Florida was open and getting crushed under the delta wave. He regularly attacks DeSantis on abortion, book bans, teaching that slavery wasn't so bad, on and on. When DeSantis sent migrants on a plane to California, Newsome instantly reacted suggesting that DeSantis could be charged with kidnapping (this made his staff none to happy btw, Newsome can be like Trump in that he tweets out policy forcing his staff to react without notice).
Newsome is term limited, so he's done in 2026(?). He's been on the campaign trail trying to become Bidens number one bestest surrogate. He's building his brand for a presidential run in 2028. Also he just loves the spotlight. I doubt there is much logic to that beyond that.
And it doesn't matter what happens at the debate, so there's no real downside. Viral clips will be shared of good zingers each contestant got in, each side will talk about how their guy crushed the other guy. None of this will change anyone's mind. It's all just a show, and Newsome loves to be on stage.
I mean this in the least condescending way possible, but you don't understand how American politics works.
The absolute best scenario for Democrats is for the Republicans to split their ticket between Trump and DeSantis - or anyone else, but there doesn't seem to be anyone else thus far with his pull on the national stage.
It'll be Clinton-Bush-Perot but in reverse.
This also raises his profile nationally.
How would Republicans split the ticket? Are you assuming one would run as independent after the primary?
I think the idea is that if Tump didn't get the nomination he would run as an independent and hold the party hostage.
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Yeah I don't buy it - if trump was the runner up, I could totally see him running as an independent, but I don't see it for DeSantis, and even if he tried, I don't think he has the base anymore to actually pull it off.
You need the kind of blind adoration that Trump (for some reason) has in his following to make a 3rd party bid remotely feasible, DeSantis just doesn't inspire that in people.
Out best hope for a split conservative base was DeSantis winning the primaries and Trump switching to independent (because he's absolutely stubborn and prideful enough to do it), I don't see it happening the other way around
Yes. Trump has literally said he won't adhere to the results of the primary and will run regardless.
Gavin Newsom wants to be president. Maybe not this cycle, but defo the next cycle
Probably partly related to Newsom's continual use of the "pied piper" strategy, trying to boost right-wing opponents so that he doesn't have to face off against anyone left of center.
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On Wednesday, DeSantis agreed, telling Fox News’ Sean Hannity: “Absolutely I’m game. Just tell me when and where.”
An aide to Newsom told POLITICO that the governor was also in. Newsom’s office had sent a formal request offer to Fox News last week with proposed debate dates of Nov. 8 or Nov. 10. That request called for Hannity to serve as the sole moderator for a 90-minute forum on Fox News that would not include an in-studio audience and would air live.
This shows confidence. Hope we get the full uncut broadcast - I'll bootleg the hell out of this. Fox News YouTube won't get my views.
An SF Bay Area rich guy debating a Florida swamp chimp? I am going to smoke a nice sativa for this one… and make some popcorn… can’t forget that.
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I’m not a big Newsom fan - I have a grudge against him for some of his decisions as governor- but if he pulls this off looking good, I will definitely be impressed.
I can’t imagine this going well. DeSantis will not properly debate, he’ll probably just try to talk over him. And Fox ‘News’ won’t do anything to properly moderate DeSantis, like muting his mic when he speaks out of turn.
That’s kind of my point - if he can turn something positive out of a no win situation, then he might have the charisma to stand up to the gop.
Newsom will soon discover what it's like to play chess against a chicken.
Newsom ‘bout to go mortal kombat on DeSantis. Finish Him!
It’s on Fox News so there will be no moderation for DeSantis while Newsom will be held to the strictest of standards. I expect a bunch of gotcha questions directed to Newsom with not enough time to properly answer while DeSantis gets softballs with all the time he needs.
That could be interesting.
I really hope I'll get to vote for Newsom for President some day.
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