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[–] FauxLiving 1 points 11 minutes ago

Hot take:

The problem isn't the other middle class people who've been convinced to wear a different color hat.

The problem is the oligarchs who've been plotting to take over and destroy the power of the people by dismantling the government. The people who are actively doing that exact thing while the ignorant masses engage in tribalism and attacking people for voting.

Engaging on this topic is just furthering the distraction tactics. The people who're actively working to destroy the government or implementing policies targeting minority populations are not your neighbors or anybody that you will run into on social media.

[–] Kyrgizion 56 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

America is waking up to the reality, as Germany once did, that 1/3 of their population wants to kill another 1/3 while the other 1/3 watches and stands by.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 hour ago

Your message is true, but your stats are off. Trump only got something like 15% of the total voting population in the US and won by like 1.5% of the vote. Studies say that historically, 60% of Americans are more liberal than the government - and that includes when Democrats have been in power.

Conservatives are a minority, and the MAGA crazies even more so. They just shout really loudly to convince everybody that they're a majority. The real issue is that 50% or so of Americans simply don't care enough to vote against fascism or care more about maintaining the facade of order than freedom. Like MLK said, the biggest threat to equal rights isn't the white supremacist, but the white liberal who cares more about a negative peace than true justice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 30 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The tools that were used to drive Germany to madness are much the same we're seeing today. A lot of that first 1/3 is being bombarded with mass media saying "Black people are trying to kill you! Leftists are trying to rob you! The Evil Biden Government is trying to transgender your children!" over and over and over for decades on end.

This isn't just Americans waking up one morning and deciding to be MAGA chuds. It is a product of two generations of intense right-wing propaganda through every avenue of mass media.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 36 minutes ago (1 children)

It's also Americans not doing anything about it for the last two generations. The right-wing propoganda machine has been a threat for literally my entire life, but it has been allowed to complete its ultimate goal without anyone actually trying to stop it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

Oh boy, I am seeing it first half my country. An old friend of mine shares right wing propaganda several times a day, and doesn't matter how many times I try to counter argument - he just doesn't care. No reply, no reaction, no nothing. Not even responding to DMs.

Lost cause these people, and I've got better things to do than driving two hours just to knock on his door and talk some fucking sense into him.

At least I am getting positive reaction from people who see what kind of bullshit he shares.

[–] stickly 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's the one thing that gives me hope: their views changed radically but only in one generation through concentrated, directed effort. Calling people idiots or sheep misses the point that this is the natural result of exposing people to this shit daily.

Nobody in history ever thought people are inherently rational and considerate, society is held together through a culture that reinforces it. The tools of the information age can rapidly and drastically shape our society however we want it, we just need to pull them out of the hands of those billionaires burning civilisation to the ground for their own benefit.

[–] ivanafterall 17 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I think this will be the dynamic that ultimately, finally, eventually-in-God-knows-how-long, bubbles over and hopefully addresses this nonsense. Enough people will slowly reach where many of us already are: just doooone. Out of patience and understanding.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

It gets even more basic than that.

Trump is just plain repulsive.

[+] [email protected] -14 points 1 hour ago (7 children)

We supported Trump because we believe that Biden's policies have had a detrimental impact on our country. Over the past four years, those of us who work hard for a living have faced significant challenges. Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many. My son, for example, would have to work far harder than I ever did just to afford rent. We voted for a better future for the working class.

In contrast, the previous administration has shown a lack of morals, ethics, and compassion for humanity. The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns. It’s important to reflect on how Biden's actions impact the world and the people who suffer as a result. Blaming a president who is advocating for the wellbeing of hardworking Americans misses the larger issue at hand. It’s essential to focus on the real challenges facing our nation, rather than directing blame toward individuals who are working to create a better future for the people of this country.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw 6 points 31 minutes ago

That's a lot of words when "I have a rudimentary education and no critical thinking skills, so I'll believe whoever tells me what I want to hear" is so much shorter.

The kicker is watching the great orange moron you elected already doing the opposite of what you think you voted for, but you're just too stupid to understand. Hope your son enjoys never owning a home and working two jobs.

[–] kautau 13 points 1 hour ago

We voted for a better future for the working class.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 33 minutes ago

I'm not going to argue with you because there's enough other people doing that. What I am interested though is a few statistics about yourself to compare to what you're saying.

You claim to be part of a group who " works hard for a living"

Just wondering what your line of work is and yearly income.

Have you always voted conservative? does your family vote conservative or are you the outlier?

What social media platforms do you use?.

What region of the USA do you live in? Normally blue/ red?

Thanks!

[–] Holyginz 6 points 46 minutes ago

The sheer fact that your whole comment can be refuted and countered from just cursory searches and looking outside of curated news spaces means that you are either arguing in bad faith or you just choose to ignore reality. Either way your stupid decision is going to fuck over a huge number of people and that includes your son because trump has never worked a day in his life. He has bankrupt over 250 businesses, including a casino so he's a shit businessman. Your inability or unwillingness to face reality is going to be responsible for everything that trump fucks up over the next, hopefully only, 4 years.

[–] NikkiDimes 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Inflation has skyrocketed to the point where basic necessities like housing, food, and healthcare are out of reach for many.

Get ready for more inflation and less food and healthcare access

The support of actions that led to the loss of countless Palestinian lives raises serious ethical concerns.

Great, prepare for Palestine to not exist at all anymore.

I understand that the Democrats are also the party of the corporate oligarch overlords and are also fucking us over, but at this point supporting Trump is just throwing the baby out with the bath water, my guy. You have bad, and extra bad, and you think extra bad is better for some reason?

[–] HappySkullsplitter 4 points 38 minutes ago

Such bullshit lol

My dad's one of you. It was painful to see him Manchurian candidate unchecked bullshit he's being fed nonstop, just like you.

You cannot objectively justify anything you just said.

It's just fascist lip service

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

Get out of here, fascist. You're what's wrong with my country.

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