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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Fun fact: there has been more time between the first use of singular they and today than there was between the first use of plural they and the start of the criticism of singular they

[–] CertifiedBlackGuy 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yup.

Singular They is only hated by the uneducated and stuffy grammar nazis from the 1920s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

The Wikipedia page says it was criticized in the mid 18th century

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (11 children)

Learning French it just seemed normal to use singular they

Vous

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Southern Italian here, lets get Loro up in this houuuuuse

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Tom Scott has a page of reflections and corrections for that video from a few years ago. He's a good ally but I think we all envy past Tom's optimism.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I also appreciate the thoughtfulness he showed when he found out someone he had recently collaborated with had made transphobic comments in the past.

You're never going to appease everyone, and I appreciate that he shared the thinking that led him to his decision. I just regret not finding out about the incident until like a week after I ordered her book.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a couple years behind on his content, who was the person he collabed with?

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Gender neutral pronouns are just so much more convenient; I tend to use them even when I know someone's gender. I do wish English had some common-use ones that were explicitly singular, though.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I do wish English had some common-use ones that were explicitly singular, though.

In the long run I predict that "they" will follow the same path as "you" - it'll become increasingly more associated with the singular, until it's the default interpretation. I also predict that both "they" and "you" will eventually require a pluraliser to convey the plural.

"Vos" (you, singular) in Rioplatense Spanish followed a similar path.

If that's correct, eventually there'll be explicitly singular second and third person pronouns.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

my prediction is for th'all and y'all or just thal and yal in the long run

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a soft spot for ‘yous’, personally.

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[–] pretzelz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Most people's English is more closely linked to American English anyway, or otherwise follow their own development path

And especially in the age of the internet, where language changes quickly spread globally

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I believe I read somewhere that the singular for "they" used to be "thy", but that makes language sound terribly old. Doubt it'll get picked up in the mainstream

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[–] SchmidtGenetics 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude is supposed to be gender neutral and singular.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'm a dude he's a dude we're all dudes gif from Good Burger

Still, maybe don't. Not everyone agrees with the gender neutrality of "dude". How many dudes have you slept with?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i think there is alot to be said about the influence of patriarchy on masculine words becomming applied to everyone. men being seen as the norm and all that...

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Four. Will be five if my Grindr match pans out tonight.

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[–] SchmidtGenetics 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ahah, you changed it plural which genders it. It’s dudes and dudettes in that case.

Did you see that dude I slept with last night?

Totally different now that it’s a singular.

Yeah language sucks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

nah i still see "i slept with a dude" as "i slept with a man", sorry

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

maybe it's the article that makes it seem masc? A dude, vs "hey, dude!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I think it's the difference of referencing another person using the word "dude" vs talking to a person and calling them "dude"

[–] Klear 1 points 19 hours ago

Hey dude, don't make it bad.
Take a sad song and make it better.

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[–] blazeknave 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I also make a point of saying y'all to include the 50% of humans without cocks.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 day ago

But when the World needed him most, he vanished.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 85 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every time I read “he or she” I think “YOU COULD HAVE SAVED FIVE CHARACTERS!!”

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

mad respect for counting those spaces

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

code.golf approves

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Programmer brain go brrrrr

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago
[–] TheBat 23 points 1 day ago

If they're here, then why am I alone 😓

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Tom Scott is so jacked in that video!

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