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AppData folder: am I a joke to you?

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (1 children)

fun fact: that dotfiles are hidden on *nix systems was just a bug in the first version of ls (the dev originally only wanted to hide the "." and ".." entry and not every file starting with .), but before the 2nd version could roll around, people have already deemed it a usefull feature so it was never changed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

That's neat!

[–] JTskulk 3 points 1 day ago

The nice thing about Free software is that distros can fix these programs that store things in the wrong location. My Debian home is a lot cleaner than my Arch.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man: project zomboid just creates a "Zomboid" folder in home, not even with a leading dot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

whispers Zombocom

[–] [email protected] 144 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Meme with the text: The world if everybody used the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard properly.

I realize that the OP is a Windows case, but I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'd be rich if I had a penny for every time a savegame or config file is stored somewhere totally whack.

Fun thing of you enable protected folders on windows: No app can get write access your Documents folder (or Images or Videos or...) unless you put them explicitly on the whitelist. That means you get to experience all the programs that are crashing or hanging or... just because they're simply assuming that that's the best place to dump data and because these folders always exist, you don't need proper error handling in case you cannot access them...

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm completely self-taught when it comes to Linux, so I have some obvious gaps in my knowledge. I've looked for good write-ups on how Linux folders are intended for use and been unable to find a good resource. Thank you for sharing the official standard name. Reading up on it now.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's respectable! But yeah, the FHS is something that's surprisingly hard to find in-depth information about if you don't already know about it.

I think this page from systemd (or this page from the arch wiki, if you prefer formatting) has a decent description of not only the FHS, but also the more standard user/home structures.

[–] TunaLobster 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I continue to be impressed with the Arch community and their dedication to collecting information about Linux into one place. Props to everyone that has contributed! You really are helping users solve problems everyday!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

People pretend Arch is a DIY OS but really it's a lego kit with homemade instructions and sometimes a little capuchin comes up to help you put some of the pieces together.

[–] poplargrove 4 points 2 days ago

You might find the XDG base directory standard interesting also, solves the problem the meme is about.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

I gave up using the default documents folder because a lot of game developers think that is a good place to store the saves

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

on modern systems bin, sbin, lib, and lib64 are just symlinks to their respective /usr/* counterparts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

You can see the symlinks in the FHS picture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Why does Redhat auto mount my extra hard drives at /run/media but Debian & Co put it in /media/?

hmmmm? Exactly. 9/11 was an inside job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

is it just me or these look a bit arbitrary

and id love to understand the logic behind whats inside /home cause it seems way too chaotic to me

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The FHS is a real thing, the second picture is some indian techblog nonsense. ”Unix System Resources” lmao.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Amazed that no one can figure out a .config/ or .local/ already

Sure, AppData exists, but do you expect them to... read?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Everyone here is talking about conventions used on Linux, but this looks like Windows Explorer to me...?
Why are there so many directory names in there following Linux "hidden file" conventions, if that's the case?

[–] AnyOldName3 65 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you write cross-platform software, the easiest solution is usually to pretend everything's Unix. You'll hit some problems (e.g. assuming all filesystem APIs always use UTF-8 will bite you on Windows, which switched to UCS2 before UTF-8 or UTF-16 were invented, so now uses UTF-16 for Unicode-aware functions as that's the one that's ABI compatible with UCS2, and passing UTF-8 to the eight-bit-char functions requires you to opt into that mode explicitly), but mostly everything will just work. There's no XDG_CONFIG telling you to put these files anywhere in particular, as Windows is Windows, so most things use ~ as a fallback, which Windows knows to treat as %USERPROFILE%.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

Lots of frameworks for applications and games have automatic translation of file paths to sensible directories, but when you're writing software you're probably doing shit fast and dirty until it's ready for release, by that time you now have a bunch of people relying on your software so changing the file structure will cause loads of issues.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because developers use cross-compilable languages to pump out Windows executables without knowing or understanding or caring about the Windows environment. I mean, ~/.whatever still works under Windows.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (6 children)

This is not a Linux or Windows thing. It's a lazy developer thing. It's also another one of the ways that some devs will coddle the end-user because "learning a file directory system is hard."

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[–] capuccino 3 points 1 day ago

don't do ls -la at your home directory

[–] FourThirteen 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget about good ol .minecraft

[–] Matriks404 9 points 2 days ago

At least it's in %appdata%, and not in %userprofile%.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Nobody wants to develop a tag-based filesystem?

[–] HereIAm 4 points 2 days ago

It's basically in use today. Apparently younger generations are more used to searching for files rather than structuring them. https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z

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[–] Badeendje 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is there an easy to find style guide of how Windows would like you to use these things, cause I never found one.

Appdata, my documents, program files... Everyone seems to be all over the place

[–] PaintedSnail 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I believe the intent is to use appdata for user-specific configs and programdata for system-wide configs.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

A lot of apps mess up local vs roaming AppData too. Roaming is for things that would make sense in a roaming profile (ie to sync to other systems) whereas local is for things that should only exist on this system (caches, machine-specific configs, etc)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Program files require admin

Appdata doesn’t

Documents doesn’t either but in theory it’s for files you want the user to edit or backup

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

They are using windows wrong, put everything on the desktop and don't worry about all those scary files everywhere else.

/S

[–] daggermoon 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Are dotfiles a thing on Windows? It's been a while since I used it.

[–] pivot_root 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No. Hiding files is still just an attribute.

Actually, technically, it's two. Files marked as system files are treated as hidden as well...

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[–] anyhow2503 11 points 3 days ago

The guidelines for Windows developers kinda suck tbh. Maybe it's better these days, but plenty of weird legacy software behaviour can be blamed on MSDN.

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