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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] [email protected] 115 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] RegalPotoo 79 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Personally, if you can't tell me if you are running Windows or MacOS, I don't really want you downloading my software

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (4 children)

My wife uses Arch (actually). She calls it the internet, when she really means Facebook. She knows it isn't Apple but it gets a bit vague after that!

The last time I had to fire up the Mesh Central client to sort something out on her desktop from work was around three months ago. Every couple of weeks I ssh into it, update it and schedule a reboot for 03:00.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (20 children)

why arch and not something with more stable updates like debian?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I've spent over 25 years with Linux. With multiple distros and a lot of that with Gentoo and Arch. At work I specify Ubuntu or Debian, for simplicity and stability. I always used to use the minimal Ubuntu, because it was tiny with no frills. For quite a few years I managed a fleet of Gentoo systems across multiple customers - with Puppet. Those have quietly gone away. I've dallied with SuSE (all varieties), Mandrake, Mandriva, RedHat, Slackware, Yggdrassil and more.

Arch is surprisingly stable and being a rolling job there are no big jumps. When I replace one of our laptops, I simply clone the old one to it and crack on. I used to do the same with Gentoo - my Gentoo laptops went from an OpenRC job with dual Nokia N95 ppp connections around 2007 to through to around 2018 with systemd and decent wifi when I switched to Arch to allow the burns on my lap to heal. I still have a Gentoo VM running (amongst friends) on the esxi in my attic.

It was installed in 2006 according to some of the kernel config files. I left it for way too long and had to use git to make Portage advance forwards in time and fix around a decade of neglect. It would have been too easy to wipe and start again. It took about a fortnight to sort out. At one point I even fixed an issue following a forum post I made myself years ago.

Anyway, Arch is pretty stable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

At one point I even fixed an issue following a forum post I made myself years ago.

I love when that happens lmao, it's the best. Thank you past me.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Debian is sometimes frustratingly out of date for daily apps like the web browser. I'd rather recommend something with a bit more updates like Mint.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

frustratingly out of date for daily apps like the web browser

Use flatpack for those then?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

That's torture and is outlawed by the geneva convention (btw)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If she only does basic web browsing, why not something more stable like Ubuntu or Debian?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

with arch it's relatively easy given enough experience to build for someone absolutely minimal desktop environment which will run you a browser and that's it and it will be rock solid even with rolling release updates because there's nothing to break.

every time I've tried "out of the box" desktop experience of ubuntu and likes it's been atrocious with a lot of moving parts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Define stable! Both are non rolling distros so that means that you have the upgrade jolt every few years. I have several VMs that started off life as Ubuntu LTS around 16 so from 2016 and are still running but now on 2022.04. Those are servers so relatively simple - web, PHP, Samba, DBs, etc. PHP is a pain to fix up. Ubuntu doesn't have the rather neat slotting feature that Gentoo has so you get to do quite a lot of detective work to put it back together again. Debian is similar - again I have several systems that I manage that have gone through at least three or four Toy Story names.

Arch is rolling so there is no break and continue point. There have been some packages that have broken or been broken but not the entire system and that suits me. The QA is surprisingly good from the devs. Arch really isn't the bugbear, nightmare super ricer thingie that it is sometimes painted out to be. I find it a very thoughtfully put together distro with an awful lot of moving parts that are well integrated and a great toolset. Choice is paramount and delivered in spades without the micro management that Gentoo requires.

It also helps that I have been doing this stuff for well over two decades so some challenges are no longer the challenge they once were.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Penguin fellas only download software from package managers and official repos tho

[–] SpaceNoodle 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless it's not in a package manager, and you're assuming those links don't point to official repos

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

downloading software from the browser? Are we windows users?

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[–] joel_feila 13 points 1 year ago

hey i gotten a few direct from developers websites.

[–] zaph 7 points 1 year ago
[–] MooseBoys 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If the client is blocking OS fingerprinting by returning generic navigator.appVersion and userAgent values you should probably just assume Linux in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

that one NetBSD user bursts into flames

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[–] Spudwart 39 points 1 year ago

Penguin People

Penguin People

I’ll have you know I’m and Arch Oligarch tyvm.

[–] RGB3x3 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Penguin people for sure know theirs

And they'll tell you about it every time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As if apple users had no fuckin clue

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Does anyone really not know if they have an apple or windows device...?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm sure my grandma does not give a shit

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Sometimes they can afford to not know because they have a relative who can manage the device for them. In which case they really wouldn't be installing software on their own really.

You would be surprised at how many people cannot even change the volume on their tablet.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Yes. I have helped people install software over discord and they don't know what a OS is.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There are some tech illiterate people, who use Linux without knowing it, because their child set it up for them.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Arch btw ;)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

You mean, there are still websites that don't auto-detect what OS you're running and make you actually choose?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I actually hate it when a website does that, especially when it doesn't let you download the application you want because your OS is not compatible. For example you wanna download some windows software to run it with Wine/Proton and the website detects you are running linux and does not let you download. I always need to spoof my User-Agent string to get access.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The correct solution (as with languages on websites) is to auto-detect but then make it super easy and obvious how to change if the auto detected version is not what the user wants.

Also if any web developers out there are reading - don't use the user's location to determine the language/region they want, and especially don't force it. I have no idea why so many websites do this but those responsible deserve to permanently have small amounts of sand in all their socks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

How do websites choose a language by location? What about countries that have more than one official language?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm saying they shouldn't, but plenty of them do. They use geoip or location services to work out where you are and then use that to send you to the local site or the site in the language that they feel is appropriate for that location.

If you're really lucky they then make it difficult (and sometimes practically impossible) to switch.

Besides the problem you've highlighted for countries with multiple languages, you also have immigrants, people on holiday, multilingual people, VPN users... And it's not great for your SEO either.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Self actualization has to start somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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