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Love that a part of the lasting legacy of 9/11 is that it has become a unit for dead Americans. Anything but metric I guess.
it’s part of the same system as football fields and double quarter pounders
This accident had nothing more to do with Trump than it did Obama or DEI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4
ATC warned that Army Helo twice that it was getting close to the AAFlight. Both times it communicated that it had the aircraft in sight and would take responsibility to maintain safe distance visually. There is speculation that the Army pilot mistook another aircraft in the pattern for the one it was supposed to be watching out for.
I think it's too early to blame the helo pilot, but it's clear that ATC did it's job and well.
Thanks for the source. I’m going to hold out for some kind of third party investigation (not just one guy) but in the meantime I am not going to hold guiltless the administration that holds profit above life and fired the type of people who are supposed to keep this from happening. I have lived through too much death to give those freaks the benefit of the doubt.
Put another way, hospitals and emergency rooms also did their job and did it well—that did not stop the larger systemic issues of misinformation, healthcare worker mistreatment and low wages from killing half a million Americans. There is potential for more complicated systemic issues at play than just the ATC or just the pilot. I appreciate your perspective of skepticism and I don’t hold it against you or anyone else but at this time it’s not for me.
You can both wait for full information while also condemning the stupid decision to reduce an already too low number of ATC personnel. The fact that one happened right after the other doesn't mean it was the cause, but it will certainly mean more problems like this (especially if one of the factors was indeed understaffing that night that already existed).
ATC was supposed to prevent collisions so I don’t see how they did their job well.
The ATC (afaik) cannot remotely take control of a military helicopter to force it to move out of the way.
Can they do that with any other airframe? Do they have godlike controls in any other condition?
No they just send out the information, commands and warnings (they did) and trust that the pilots will pay attention to them and do as instructed. They have no way to force the helicopter to move in that time frame. They can tell it to stay out of the way, and they did. What else are they gonna do? Any consequences they could make happen are after the incident and far too late.
As shitty as he is, so far I don't think he's responsible for this.
The Washington ATC saw the helicopter and the plane and warned the chopper twice, and the helicopter crew twice indicated they saw the plane and were maintaining distance visually.
It sounds like the helicopter crew screwed up here, not the overworked ATC. We won't know for sure for months exactly what happened, but the ATC audio and flight radar logs are publicly available and appear to indicate the controller did everything right.
And for the Philadelphia crash - we simply don't know what happened yet. The plane took off, didn't signal any kind of duress, and crashed a minute later with no communications after hand-off from the airport controller.
When is the general strike and protest?
March 5th I believe
correction *two weeks
Those are rookie numbers. Remember, thanks to his fumbling of the pandemic response, we were at a 9/11 per day at the peak.
u didn’t read the whole post did u ☺️
i would appreciate it if someone could give me a relative figure. How much have plane crashes increased thus far?
This is fucked up. The president doesn't cause everything bad that happens in their term. And why are you wishing for more deaths?
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