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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

Based coverage from 404.

[–] FauxPseudo 17 points 10 hours ago
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[–] [email protected] 147 points 20 hours ago (3 children)
[–] PixellatedDave 5 points 9 hours ago

Well I always thought I knew what the smallest violin looks like!

[–] leadore 31 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Look at its widdle toes! 🥹

[–] NikkiDimes 28 points 18 hours ago

Those are clearly fiddle toes, in this case.

[–] surewhynotlem 11 points 19 hours ago

That's lovely.

[–] ODuffer 107 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Speculater 36 points 20 hours ago

Would you hug a face?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Yes, but I don't have Nvidia hardware to run them

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 21 hours ago

It sounds like they just followed the precedent set by American companies. Maybe don't steal data and your data won't get stolen?

[–] mEEGal 96 points 22 hours ago

There’s substantial evidence that what DeepSeek did here is they distilled the knowledge out of OpenAI’s models [...]

I will explain what this means in a moment, but first: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha.

LMFAOOO 😂😂

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago

Ironic and hypocritical

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 185 points 1 day ago (26 children)

Welcome, new industry heads. That's how it works. China takes a car, picks it apart and builds a cheaper car. That's what they've been doing for decades now.

[–] cley_faye 85 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's par for the course, but it's hilarious that openai "we have to get copyrighted material for free because fuck you" is pulling that defense now.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 14 points 21 hours ago
[–] Orbituary 67 points 1 day ago

We got angry when Japan did this in the 60s and 70s. I'm going to paste part of the opening from Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash."

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can fucking stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it -- talking trade balances here -- once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they 're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here -- once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel -- once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity -- y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

  • music
  • movies
  • microcode (software)
  • high-speed pizza delivery

The Deliverator used to make software. Still does, sometimes. But if life were a mellow elementary school run by well-meaning education Ph.D.s, the Deliverator ' s report card would say: "Hiro is so bright and creative but needs to work harder on his cooperation skills."

[–] Sludgehammer 19 points 22 hours ago

I'm kinda reminded of the tale of how the Zilog Z80 processor chip had dozens of little "tricks" built into it. It was being produced in Japan which at the time was famous for their chip production and for copying chip designs. Apparently their little tricks were baffling enough that it delayed the appearance of knock-offs chips by half a year.

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[–] owenfromcanada 133 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Is there evidence that DeepSeek is an OpenAI distillate other than OpenAI and Co's protestations?

[–] brucethemoose 34 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

It's literally impossible. I tried to explain it here: https://lemmy.world/comment/14763233

But the short version is OpenAI doesn't even offer access to the data you need for a "distillation," as the term is used in the LLM community.

Of course there's some OpenAI data in the base model, but that's partially because it's splattered all over the internet now.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

Not distillate, they just trained on the outputs of openai

[–] [email protected] 87 points 23 hours ago

Gonna cry, technofeudalist lord?

1000045471

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

Oh the irony 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (3 children)

a) to expect China not to steal every piece of design they can lay their hands on is foolish and should be part of every tech companies contingency planning, and investor consideration b) given that deepseek seems to have condensed the processing, i can only imagine openai can now use their processes to make the high end chips work just that much more efficiently

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To expect any company to not steal is foolish. All development builds on previously proven ideas.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Does the OpenAI TOS even cover no-take-backsies ?

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[–] buddascrayon 13 points 20 hours ago

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH 😂

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Good, I hope this is how the AI industry dies.

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