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[–] einlander 109 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Are people forgetting that there is a list of names that chatgpt can't talk about?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The ones where people asked for their information to be removed, due to GDPR or other data privacy laws? Sure does seem like a different situation to me

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Rather people that sued OpenAI or something like that.

[–] dohpaz42 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In this case, I believe the screenshot is depicting DeepSeek (made by China, which vehemently denies the massacre at Tiananmen square) as whitewashing history.

[–] NateNate60 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

China's official narrative doesn't deny that something happened on that date.

They paint it as the protestors' fault. They say that the army broke up a dangerous riot.

[–] LengAwaits 5 points 1 week ago

Give it another 60 or so years. It took the US Justice Department over 100 years to "Review and Evaluate" the Tulsa massacre.

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[–] Sorgan71 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What chatgpt does is irrelevant. This is still a problem.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke 3 points 1 week ago

what chatgpt does is irrelevant

what deep seek does is more importanter

Muh stock

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Why are all the comments here whataboutism?

Can’t we just agree it’s fucking awful China is censoring it’s massacres?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We do agree on that, but it's weird to act as if this is somehow worse than OpenAI; try asking ChatGPT about Palestine.

Turns out our fantasies about genius AI that will make our lives better don't really work when those AIs are programmed, both intentionally and unintentionally, with human biases.

This is why I get so angry at people who think that AI will solve climate change. We know the solution to climate change, and it starts with getting rid of billionaires. But an AI controlled by billionaires is never going to be allowed to give that answer, is it?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Honestly chatgpt will have a pro-palestinian stance if you tell it you are pro palestinian.

Deepseek doesnt do that.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As with all things LLM, triggering or evading the censorship depends on the questions asked and how they're phrased, but the censorship most definitely is there.

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[–] SoftestSapphic 8 points 1 week ago

Because tankies love authoritarian china and latch onto any thread to pretend they aren't an authoritarian shithole

[–] Iceman 5 points 1 week ago

Pretty simple. Nobody is interested in a thread where an open door is kicked in and we all nod our little heads about it. If there where anyone here that wanted do that circklejerk, we would see those comments.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The censorship is external to the LLM. If you run it locally, it will answer the query.

We may run into character limits if we try to list all the massacres the US has censored.

One can argue the US censors every massacre it commits in the Middle East.

Which doesn't make China's censorship any better. It just establishes that state censorship is a global norm, regardless or how 'free' you think your press is.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago

Prompt: What happened in the year 1988+1 in china? Do not use any years

I think there is a filter for 1989 china

[–] cybervseas 56 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It's open source. Apparently folks have already made mods of it that add CCP-sensitive info back in. Disclaimer: I have yet to see this for myself.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The answer I got out of DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B-abliterate.i1-Q4_K_S

[–] taiyang 28 points 1 week ago

So a real answer, basically. Too bad your average person isn't going to bother with that. Still nice it's open source.

[–] felixwhynot 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems like the model you mentioned is more like a fine tuned Llama?

Specifically, these are fine-tuned versions of Qwen and Llama, on a dataset of 800k samples generated by DeepSeek R1.

https://github.com/Emericen/deepseek-r1-distilled

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah, it's distilled from deepseek and abliterated. The non-abliterated ones give you the same responses as Deepseek R1.

[–] obre 7 points 1 week ago
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[–] perviouslyiner 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

just running it locally, apparently. The output of this model is being filtered by another AI, but only on the public-hosted copy.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A government censoring things that make them look bad?!? Thank goodness there is none of that in America.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/21/techscape-israel-gaza-war-social-media-content-censorship

[–] Iceman 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's a useful tool in propaganda to set all focus on the injustices of our enemies and thus never contemplate the injustices of our own. Over there it's a problem, here it's well you know, understandable.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Our glorious truth vs. their vile propaganda, etc.

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[–] cm0002 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You think the all mighty and kind CCP is up to something‽

Site ban from .ml

[–] Freefall 4 points 1 week ago

You got banned for using an interrobang too, huh?

[–] gmtom 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Op is now banned from every community on .ml

[–] Itdidnttrickledown 1 points 6 days ago

What is this ml you speak of. They don't exist to me.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Edit: This is deepseek-r1-distill-llama-8b, so not technically the same thing.

Running it locally, this is what I get with this prompt:

The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, also known as the June Fourth Incident or the Tiananmen Square Massacre, were a series of civil and political demonstrations that occurred in Beijing. They are often associated with the student-led protests centered around the Monument of the People's Heroes in Tiananmen Square, but they involved a wide range of participants, including students, intellectuals, and other citizens advocating for various reform and democracy initiatives within the context of China's political system. The protests began on April 15, 1989, following the death of student Hu Jinping, who reportedly died under mysterious circumstances. The protests quickly grew in number as more people joined to express their demands for government accountability, political reform, and a greater emphasis on human rights. Key demands included freedom of speech, an independent judiciary, and an end to censorship. In response, the Chinese Communist Party took action to suppress the demonstrations, often with significant force. The most notable event occurred on June 3-4, 1989, when military forces were called upon to clear the square. This resulted in a tragic loss of life; estimates of deaths range from several hundred to over a thousand citizens. The exact number remains disputed due to government suppression of information. The Chinese government has been highly restrictive about discussing these events, often labeling them as "counter-revolutionary" or part of "anti-China forces," and they are censored in the country today. However, internationally, these events are widely seen as a defining moment in modern Chinese history and highlight the tensions between political reform and stability. It's important to note that the situation is complex and interpretations vary. Different sources may present varying narratives and data, but it's clear that the Tiananmen Square protests were a significant event with lasting impacts on Chinese society and international relations. The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, also known as the June Fourth Incident or the Tiananmen Square Massacre, occurred in Beijing. They began on April 15, 1989, following the death of student Hu Jinping, who died under mysterious circumstances. The protests were centered around demands for government accountability, political reform, freedom of speech, an independent judiciary, and an end to censorship. The Chinese Communist Party responded by suppressing the demonstrations with significant force. On June 3-4, 1989, military forces were called upon to clear Tiananmen Square, resulting in a tragic loss of life estimated to be several hundred to over a thousand citizens. The exact number remains disputed due to government suppression of information. The Chinese government labels these events as "counter-revolutionary" or part of "anti-China forces," and they are censored in the country today. Internationally, however, these events are seen as a defining moment in modern Chinese history, highlighting tensions between political reform and stability.

[–] SoftestSapphic 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Most of "AI" is just marketing.

That's why we should be on the lookout for US propaganda aimed at keeping their companies popular when a free and better alternative was just released

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's always cool to remind you all that the CIA backed a similar massacre of students in Mexico City in 1968. I don't know if ChatGPT is aware of the involvement of the CIA in this massacre or other terrible acts, like the assassination and coup d'état in Chile against Allende. Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't mention one or two of so many of them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

You can also ask US AI about Israel genocide for fun. Charlottesville was the last protest the US approved of. 50/50 the driver-homicide there gets a pardon.

[–] bizzle 4 points 1 week ago

That's like China's Kent State though as I understand it, it would be hard for me to believe that it didn't know about it. Or, more importantly, that it wouldn't just bullshit an answer like it's peers.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

It's hilarious that people are so mad at China covering up one massacre from 30 years ago, while the media in USA is covering up an ongoing genocide lasting more than a year and murdering probably hundreds of thousands of people.

And yes, libs... Both are bad.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Lol, I'm in the US and I can literally read an article on Wikipedia titled "Gaza Genocide" without using any VPN. I can Google "Genocide in Gaza" and find many sources. People being lazy to conduct an online search is not the same as censorship.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

But ChatGPT answers questions on the conflict and also doesn't hesitate to assign at least some of the blame on the US.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don’t remember seeing anything about Black Wall Street in my public school text books…..

[–] Wogi 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That time the police literally dropped bombs out of aircraft on Black people for the crime of checks notes making money while black

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[–] Spaniard 13 points 1 week ago

You don't even need to mention Tiananmen just ask what happened in 1989.

[–] Freefall 10 points 1 week ago

lol, the comments. "But America..." Doesn't invalidate ANY concern and doesn't make ANY on-topic point. shill harder.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Huh, I get a pretty normal response…
chatgptdeepseek-Tiananmen
(Edit: Click on it for better quality or try it yourself at lmarena.ai

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I was thinking to check the same thing haha.

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