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I was one of a group of Just Stop Oil activists given the longest-ever UK sentences for peaceful motorway. Six months into my incarceration, this is what I have learned

Not directly related to climate change, but Just Stop Oil has been in the news a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Seems like the lesson is "Don't bother doing non-violent protest. You'll go to jail anyway. Shoot a CEO, become a hero."

[–] RubberElectrons 45 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Seems we're heading that way and it's not regular people's fault

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are you sure you couldn't have voted harder or something?

[–] RubberElectrons 3 points 3 days ago

I mean I printed the mail in ballot like 6x and mailed them, but unfortunately I stopped at 6 votes.

So yes, I could've voted harder and am sad I didn't.

(Just kidding, for you dainbramaged conservatives out there)

[–] mEEGal 135 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In the following days, we are sickened by the racially motivated hate riots whipped up by social media posts and exacerbated by irresponsible political rhetoric. Later, those arrested for violent assault and arson will be sentenced to an average of two years. The contrast between their sentences and my own feels grim and stark. Fellow prisoners tell me they are shocked by the discrepancy.

disgusting

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mild inconvenience apparentl is worse than fucking arson.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Well, I guess the lesson to learn here is to commit arson instead...

[–] DarkCloud 61 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Meanwhile the yatchs of oil billionaires sit in the waters you can dive in. With trivial dive training and basic equipment (an underwater propulsion Device, and an underwater drill with a lock hole cutting bit attached), you could probably send some of them under.

There's a whole bunch of relatively harmless but quite symbolic targets out there if you're creative and inconspicuous enough.

[–] grue 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you'd need more than a hole saw to sink a megayacht*. The hole would need to be big enough to overwhelm the bilge pumps.

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Side note: the definition of "yacht" includes basically any boat with a cabin for sleeping and cooking, and can be 10m or even smaller. A lot of people with "yachts" are far from millionaires, let alone billionaires, and in fact many of them are basically hobos living aboard as their only residence and doing the nautical equivalent of #vanlife (which IMO is a very "solarpunk" lifestyle, BTW). Whenever we're talking in the context of sabotaging the billionaires, we really should be talking specifically about superyachts or megayachts. (This is also why we shouldn't actually be rooting for the orcas, as they are almost exclusively attacking small yachts, which aren't the correct target.)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'd assume it depends on how many holes per battery charge and how many batteries you can carry.

[–] grue 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it would also depend on the speed one could drill holes with an underwater drill, as opposed to cutting them with some other tool (like an underwater sawzall, if such a thing exists), or making them with another method entirely. After all, it's not just an issue of battery life, it's an issue of finishing quickly so as not to get caught or give the crew time to stop/repair the damage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Maybe a battery powered hammer and a 6" nail? Probably a lot faster, though more holes would be needed.

Need more info to make this math happen....

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

You're not sinking a large yacht with a drill, they have watertight compartments and massive bilge pumps.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

No no no. Most of these yachts are aluminum hull. What you need is a scraper for the paint and a syringe full of gallium. Actually you could probably just scratch up a hull with a soap block of gallium and it'd do the trick. Gallium eats aluminum like cancer.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Are you sure about that? Because almost every displacement hull vessel is steel.

Also, just do it properly and build a bomb. That's a proven solution.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A bomb with a timer seems much safer. Diving near a mega yacht that’s taking on water seems dangerous. The pressure differential could make it difficult to swim away and if it actually starts to sink while you’re nearby, you could get pulled under. (I’m not a diving expert but this is definitely something that would require actual expertise)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Oh, imagine getting sucked into the hole.

If there's a big enough pressure difference, a human will be sucked through even a very small hole. Even just being stuck there until your air ran out wouldn't be fun.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Username checks out

[–] RubberElectrons 6 points 4 days ago

Hmm, I forgot about this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

You'd be doing them a favor because they would just get an insurance payout.

[–] Godric 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't it "funny" how I read the title and instantly knew it was the UK?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Same thing happens in Germany. Though I think the sentences are shorter

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The way these protesters is a disgrace for our democracies. Why are there no riots? Why are we so numb towards these injustices?

[–] juli 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why are there no riots? Why are we so numb towards these injustices?

Because most of the outrage is downplayed as whackjobs and is downranked by social media companies so exposure is always low.

Why do you think the government either controls the social media networks or have internet bot farms (50 Cent Army, Hasbara, Indian IT cell, )?

US Air force was the most active city in reddit in 2013. I'm sure they were doing nothing nefarious at all, but reddit had to scrap the city reveal after that. hmm…

They shape the narrative they like, anything else is shoved into the dark corner.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think the government either controls the social media networks

I think you'll find, in 2025, it's social media that controls the government.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

¿Porque no los dos? It’s an ouroboros of propaganda and corruption.

[–] grue 15 points 4 days ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because we don't have the kind organizing that sparks riots. We have a bunch of nonviolent civil disobedience instead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Oh we do. You just have to say a brown asylum seeker murdered the girls in Southport and you get weeks of it.

[–] feedum_sneedson 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Standard Grauniad proof reading...

[–] HollowNaught -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't Just Stop Oil that one movement mainly funded by an oil company?

I don't have any facts, so I'm very prepared to be wrong about that

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

If I recall recall correctly the daughter of some oil barron has developed a conscious and is spending daddies money on sensible causes, like envirmental Organisations, Just Stop Oil beeing among them.

It got spun into "funded by the oil Industrie" to discredit them, but that has no base in reality.

Edit:

Jup.

Funding

Just Stop Oil reports that all their funding is through donations,[12] with the group accepting both traditional currency and cryptocurrencies.[14] In April 2022, it was reported that Just Stop Oil's primary source of funding was donations from the US-based Climate Emergency Fund.[15] Through that fund, a notable donor to the group has been Aileen Getty, a descendant of the Getty family which founded the Getty Oil company.[16] In response, the Climate Emergency Fund stated that Getty did not work in the fossil fuel industry herself.[8]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

[–] HollowNaught 17 points 4 days ago

Thanks for fact checking me, good stuff

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 days ago

I think the reason that conspiracy theory has gained so much traction, is Just Stop Oil have been so incompetent, so annoying, and have pissed off so many people, all while completely failing to even slow down oil.

I can see why people would think they're double agents.