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[–] xenomor 7 points 7 hours ago

Democrats. Worthless when in power. Worthless when in the opposition role.

[–] SS2k_2003 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn't appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don't hold post-secondary degrees. Their policies also often times don't do enough to actually help the average person and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder. They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.

[–] partial_accumen 3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The democrats have an elitism problem, their party doesn’t appeal to the average American even though their policies do. The candidates they run tend to appeal more to college educated persons but far less to those who don’t hold post-secondary degrees.

People love simple answers to problems. Unfortunately, the problems we're facing are incredibly complex and don't have simple realistic answers. Simply looking solutions have complicated consequences that aren't immediately obvious. The average American (that doesn't hold post-secondary education) typically doesn't understand this. So when a problem is explained and a solution that addresses it is presented, it usually leaves them confused.

Their policies also often times don’t do enough to actually help the average person

...not enough help, I agree.

and lack universality which is desperately needed as the economy continues to get worse and every day life continues to get harder.

You lost on me on this one. Universality? As in a living minimum wage that would benefit not only those struggling on the poverty line, but also help billionaires?

They refuse to acknowledge this and continue to lose as a result.

This is where I more strongly disagree. This goes back to my first point.

We're facing very complex problems that don't have simple answers. However, the other side is providing simple to understand solutions. The problem is those simple solutions are horrendous, and aren't actually solutions. Example:

  • Americans are struggling with low wages. The other side says its because of foreigners and moves to arrest and deport them. Simple right? Except you and I both know the low wages has nothing to do with immigrants, and instead on corporate America and captured politicians keeping wages low while productivity continues to rise.

If the other side simply gives simple "common sense" solutions that a typical American understands (even if its wrong), then that will be appealing to them instead of a realistic complex solution which promises far fewer benefits. What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

What are Democrats to do here that can counter the infinite depth of lies of the other side?

Actually do something. The implementations of the right solutions are complex, but the solutions themselves are pretty simple to understand. Tax the wealthy invest in public services and infrastructure pass election reform fucking kill the filibuster already there are mountains of things that need to be done and democrats don't care enough to do most of it. Republican lies only work as much as they do because they only need to sound better than the paper-thin Democrat excuse of "we're trying but it's complicated" when most people aren't seeing results because the Democrats aren't trying. If the DNC really wanted to improve things, they'd listen to people like Bernie and AOC who are calling for real change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Your post reminded me of the saying (paraphrasing from memory) "to every complicated problem there is an answer that is easy, simple, and wrong."

Everyone bemoans government inefficiency and slowness without understanding that "that's the point". Legislation in a democracy is hard and compromise is necessary. The slowness is a feature not a bug. Yes it means some good things will be delayed, or not implemented as well as some may like, but a lot of bad shit is avoided as well.

[–] RagingRobot 1 points 8 hours ago

All the democratic policies always came with means testing. I always supported all their stuff but it rarely helped me or people I know because of the means testing.

[–] return2ozma 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The opposition party... we're cooked.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

private Senate Democratic luncheon

And that pretty neatly sums up the whole problem right there.

All they can think to do us sit around and talk to each other, alternately lamenting the fact that the hicks in flyover country can't seem to understand that they know what's best for them and wondering what's wrong with their "messaging "

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

While being totally oblivious to the fact that the right now owns all media. Nothing the Democrats do or say is ever going viral. They will never be heard about in a positive way ever again. Game over man.

[–] givesomefucks 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

All they can think to do

They're not that stupid.

They know exactly what voters want to hear and what they want politicians to do.

The issue is that is often the direct opposite of what their donors tell them to do. If they wanted to reach out, they'd hand AOC a megaphone or let Bernie talk about policy.

They're focused on "messaging" because that's what they have control over still. They can't change their votes or support of policies, because the oligarchs decide that for Dem leadership just like they do Republican.

A letter by their name doesn't make them your friend just because the other letter would make them your enemy. We need to have higher standards than just that letter, otherwise the ones with the most donations will keep winning primaries, and keep being the only other option.

[–] iopq 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Bernie is only popular with leftist voters. People just see what the average Democrat likes and think the whole country likes him. This is not the case, he wouldn't win a national election even if nominated

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Bernie is also not a Democrat. He only joined the party to run for president. He left again.

[–] iopq 0 points 3 hours ago

Right, and his views wouldn't make a winning platform