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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yeah, I've been saying we should make crypto mining space heaters. I don't think there's much of a market for it, but it's an interesting thought. Worst case, it would be an amazing gag gift.

Or, if you believe all crypto is immoral (arguably fair), then make a space heater that runs something like folding at home.

[–] InternetCitizen2 2 points 1 day ago

And just like that, Intel is the best in the game again /s

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Oh my goodness, YES!

The initial concept developed by the company involved using heat generated by Bitcoin mining rigs, according to Heata Co-founder and CTO Chris Jordan.

"We literally put a Bitcoin miner in a barrel of mineral oil and plumbed it up to a radiator," he told The Register.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I saw an interesting post that said

All electronics are 100% efficient in the winter

[–] pHr34kY 23 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Now that we have reverse cycle AC (heat pumps), 100% is a low bar.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I know, but I didn't wanna pollute my comment with a bunch of pedantry, despite my name. Also people living in apartments often don't have access to heat pumps.

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[–] Sawblade02 18 points 1 day ago (3 children)

My home server was serving a dual purpose of keeping my closet full of 3d printer filament dry, but then the most recent TrueNAS Scale updates killed it by dropping my average CPU load from 10 to 4%.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

ALWAYS. A. RELEVANT. XKCD.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just open a few Chrome tabs. That'll ramp the resource usage back up again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

He didn't say he wanted to make another sun

[–] Bytemeister 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does ram really have that much thermal load/power draw? I don't even account for it when I'm picking a power supply.

Just start a scan with a second anti-virus, they'll fight it out and warm up your house quite nicely.

Or double dip and mine crypto when it's cold out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Even for a large amount of RAM that you'd find in a big server, it's a few dozen watts at most. Here's some charts showing the jump from DDR3 to DDR4 on a 16GB stick:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ddr3l-vs-ddr4-power-consumption.2012014/

DDR5 dropped the voltage from 1.2V to 1.1V compared to DDR4, which tends to make it even more power efficient. Not quite as dramatic as DDR3 to 4, but in any case, it's better still.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Sadly, for a few years now I've had TDP as one of the main criteria when buying parts for my machines, so there really isn't enough waste heat from my machines to even just keep a room warm in Winter by playing heavy 3D games (the worst machine tops at around 180W with 3D and CPU heavy games - so basically the same heating as a really bright incandescent light bulb - whilst my home server uses about 20W at 100%)

On the other hand what I save in power consumption on my machines can be used on a dedicated heating solution that's ON only when I need it rather than the whole year.

[–] cm0002 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

whilst my home server uses about 20W at 100%)

I'd love it if my equipment used so little, but I'd rather just pay a higher electric bill and be able to spin up whatever VM, container or DB I need for a project whenever I want without having to worry about resource usage

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's really down to fitting the machine to one's Requirements, present and forecasted ones.

So my home server is just a N100 Mini PC because it's just a TV Media Box on my living room that doubles as home NAS and Torrent server with a dedicated VPN connection, for which an N100 with not especially large or fast memory and a decent-sized SSD, is more than powerful enough since the CPU heavy stuff - video decoding - is done in dedicated silicon inside the N100 so doesn't really run on the CPU cores, whilst the other functionality is mainly bottlenecked by network speeds and my network is just Gigabit Ethernet.

If I expected heavier CPU loads I would have gone with a different CPU (plus associated elements such as motherboard and memory) whilst if I wanted to run the heavier AI stuff (such as image generation) it would've been a Desktop PC with a dedicated Graphics Card with lots of video memory.

As it is, my games PC doubles as Image generation machine and also works fine if I want play with VMs or Databases since that's running Linux and is a lot more powerful in almost every way (curiously, not disk speed since it's a bit old with upgraded parts, so it's still using SATA and does not support M.2 disks on PCIe) than that Mini PC.

A machine on my living room is supposed to be quiet (so, no loud fans, hence low power consumption), so I was hardly going to over-dimension that living room TV Box / Server just to once in a while I could play with heavy stuff in it, given that I already have a different and much more powerful Linux machine at home that I can use for that, hence why I partitioned my needs this way and can have an always ON server that just tops at 20W (though generally it uses less than half that power).

PS: Also keep in mind that merely running a database isn't by itself any kind of heavy load (even for heavy stuff like Oracle, much less mySQL or PostgresSQL), it's what uses it that dictates the load, so even running a DB there is not an issue unless I'm doing tons of massive non-indexed queries against it (or huge dataset indexed ones, since non-indexed ones on huge datasets end up disk bound unless you have insane amounts of memory) or a similar pattern of usage.

[–] Majorllama 68 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I love my gaming PC and 3d printer in the winter. Keeps my room toasty without me needing to run the heat much at all.

I hate those same things in the summer when I gotta have fans or AC just so I don't melt lol

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I turn off Folding@Home in the summer. Otherwise it's on 24x7.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

For everyone who isn't trying to mine crypto, yeah.

[–] kn33 6 points 1 day ago

Shit with my gf and I both gaming, sometimes we have to open a window in the winter

[–] ch00f 23 points 1 day ago

Back in high school, my buddy used to VNC into his Athlon 3200+ WinXP machine from school and start SuperPi calculating a million digits. Took 40minutes and got his room proper toasty by time he got home.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

My server rack (in the cold garage) is now enclosed and the air filtered and piped into my grow tent which then regulates with cold air from the garage.

[–] cm0002 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

my grow tent

One of these days I also need to get around to starting my grow operation myself lol

[–] kn33 6 points 1 day ago

I'm just kinda hunkering down with carts and waiting for MN to get dispensaries cause I'm lazy.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Here me out: a global computing cooperative –
Collectively owned servers and gaming PCs are run at max power wherever it's winter at the time, streaming the data to where it is needed.

[–] InputZero 3 points 1 day ago

Lookup Folding @ Home or boinc. It's basically the same thing.

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[–] Blue_Morpho 20 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Electricity generated heat from your servers is incredibly inefficient compared to a heat pump.

[–] Bahnd 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, but im already using the computer for other things and it would be more inefficient to double up on heating sources. I can confirm from personal expirence a PC in a small room can sufficently act as climate control.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Conversely it's exactly as efficient as a resistive heater, which lots of people still use.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

No one is comparing efficiency of a PC as a heating device to a Heat Pump.

So I'm not sure why you felt the need to post this.

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