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Good day! I am trying to find a good alternative as not to use the"smart" functions or using an Xbox to consume our media. I found a few options ie like plasma big screen but it's no longer in development. Essentially I would line love to have it running on an rpi4 and just hooked up to the TV.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (18 children)

The main issue for me is not finding a device to play content, but a dumb screen that is not a potatoe. A 4k HDR OLED Screen without any smart features is basically nowhere to be found

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You could maybe get an advertisement screen. You know, those you find at train stations and stores.

Maybe, you could even get something like those touch panels McDonald's uses, that would be nice!

[–] FrowingFostek 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't most digital signage "SMART" too?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They usually have a dedicated compute unit which is sold separately (or by a different company)

[–] FrowingFostek 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nice, I might have to get one. Also, your name reminds me I have to buy more Borax.

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[–] boaratio 3 points 1 week ago

Look into commercial displays. They're dumb TV's.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean... just don't connect it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some devices will prompt you to upgrade the firmware and won't let you do it without internet access, AFTER you're logged in to their platform.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

You can't connect it temporarily?

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[–] SpiceDealer 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I also tried finding a dumb 4K TV some time ago and, yeah, they don't exist. 4K TVs were a good tech that came out at the wrong time.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As others have suggested, OSMC is OK, but personally I prefer having Android so that I can use SmarttubeNext and access native apps for stuff like Jellyfin, Dropout, Nebula, etc. For years I played with various Linux options, but in the end I ditched it all for an Nvidia Shield and I couldn't be happier with the results.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Is there an android box more powerful than Shield? I love my shield TV, but I wonder if it needs an upgrade in a year or two.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

have a look at OSMC, you write it to the Pi SD card and it gives you Kodi all setup and ready use. you can even use your TV remote to control it

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Could it do Plex instead of Kodi? Always found the Kodi UI pretty amateur dev.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

no, its based on kodi. but there are themes you could try

[–] SidewaysHighways 3 points 1 week ago

Kodi ui is great! No different menu every single week with them Shoving ads down your throat and stuff. Every interface for every add-on looks exactly the same. Easy to find what you need.

[–] pirat 2 points 1 week ago

There's probably a Plex add-on for Kodi. At least, there is for Jellyfin and Emby. If you don't like the UI, try changing it. I prefer the one called "Arctic: Zephyr - Reloaded". You'll need to customize the homescreen a bit to get the most out of it. That way you can make it show widgets of your content, e.g. the latest content added, continue watching, specific libraries, etc. That, at least, works very well with Jellyfin through the Jellycon add-on.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I literally have a rpi4 and just put libreELEC on it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Kodi is a great choice regardless of distro, whether that's libreelec, osmc, or just regular Raspbian.

I installed Kodi on my RetroPie setup, and it works well.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I find having the full OS is useful, and this KDE environment proves great https://plasma-bigscreen.org/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

As of right now, Plasma Bigscreen isn't available for public use yet.

[–] PieMePlenty 2 points 1 week ago

This looks cool but having the shell feel good on a TV is one thing, having apps is another. If I open Firefox on theat thing, am I going to see the same app as I do on desktop... only 10 feet away? I immediately asked this after I saw VS Code in the screenshot there because what is the point in having an accessible 10 foot UI to use it to launch an app where I won't be able to read the menus and navigate around in an accustomed fashion?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not OP but it looks good. I wanted an alternative to my Apple TV to watch movies from the NAS and it seems to do the trick for a slightly lower price.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I have the previous model. It does a great job of playing videos from my server in the other room. It technically can do YouTube, but that's a pretty horrible experience. It can't do any other paid streaming services.

But it does do an amazing job of local streaming. It handles most all of the audio and video codecs, and can direct stream just about any video file without too much playing around. I like mine, and definitely recommend it for anyone who also wants a trustworthy local media player.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As others are saying, OSMC might work. Most difficult part is making it so that the TV turns on when you turn on the computer since ARC isn't a thing for most computers.

I ended up giving up on OSMC and bought an Apple TV since nothing else got the "wife approval" factor. It's better than Google getting my data, has a Plex client, and let's me stream my Steam library.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The RPI has CEC support

[–] bigb 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If Android is okay, I'd recommend the ONN 4K Pro player from Walmart (if located in the U.S.) with some privacy caveats:

  • Do as little with Google: Make a throwaway login if Google requires one to get the device started up. Try to avoid Google Play Store as much as possible. If privacy from Google isn't a concern, feel free to use your Google account to download apps from the Google Play Store.
  • Learn how to sideload apps: There are multiple ways to do this, like a USB drive or FTP server.
  • Pick an alternate launcher: This will replace the default Android TV OS UI with one that has much more flexability and no ads. FLauncher and Projectivity are ones that I recommend to friends.

The final product is a modern streaming device with much more flexability than any other store-bought device. Building a HTPC with Linux is probably the true self hosted option. Personally, I'm able to afford some privacy sacrifices with Google for something that "just works."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I got one of these recently and it works well. Much smoother than whatever my Smart TV is natively running and it doesn't crash constantly.

If it were just me I'd have set up a small HTPC with Kodi, but my family needs something that works without ever needing my intervention, and it needs to run the 100 streaming services we hemorrhage money to. These boxes are super cheap and let me run Jellyfin too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The old software versions support Lineage OS. If you can find one that was unlocked before they broke unlocking you are in luck. If not Google is bad for privacy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's been years since I've shopped for a TV, but... can't you just not connect it to the internet? I have a little microPC running Linux connected to our TV; it's smarter than any other TV I've seen, but the TV itself is stupid.

Why can't someone just get a smart TV and just never let it get online?

I mean, sure, if I had my 'druthers, I wouldn't be paying for features I don't use, but if it's literally impossible to buy dumb TVs, what's the issue?

[–] AA5B 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I used to do that but it would constantly nag until I connected it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hmm. Just curious: did you try creating a tar pit subnet for it, which it could connect to but not escape from?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They TV companies make lots of money from selling ad space and preinstalled apps. (They likely sell at a loss initially)

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[–] Osiris 4 points 1 week ago

Fwiw - I have both an LG C2 and a newer Samsung QLED. Neither have ever been connected to the internet, never pester me to connect, and the both turn on right to to my Apple TV

[–] Lumisal 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Currently I'm working on a Plasma Bigscreen build that still gives some privacy and 1080p Netflix/Disney+/Crunchyroll etc by using extensions/WebApps and getting S-Tube and other android apps (including tv web browser) via Waydroid + Flauncher, all controllable through a simple IR controller.

If you pm me I'll set it as a reminder for when I finish to share the package. It's designed for an Odroid C4.

As for dumb tvs or more privacy friendly tvs, you can find them if you know where to look. Here's some options from LG:

https://www.lg.com/us/business/digital-signage

They had a dumb 65" 4k OLED too but it's currently out of stock.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The option(s) other commenters gave are great! But just to give you more options, I'll give you a few additional ideas.

  1. KDE Connect: You can still use a normal desktop (preferably KDE or Gnome), set your display scale to 150+%, and then use your phone remotely to control the cursor, media playback, and more.
  2. Bazzite: often used to replace SteamOS, it also boots into Steam big picture mode by default, where you can set applications in the start menu. It has a nice console-like interface, and you don't have to maintain anything, e.g. updating. It also supports Waydroid and webapps by default.
  3. An old laptop or mini-PC with Bluefin or Aurora. They are basically like Bazzite, but without gaming stuff. You can set the display scale to 200% and enjoy a worry-free experience. Optionally, you can install Phosh or Plasma Mobile on top, which is made for mobile devices.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is bazzite couch friendly? I'm expecting to need a mouse and that isnt my ideal setup

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In big picture mode it's couch/ controller friendly. In desktop mode you'll need a mouse. Either way you'll need a peripheral device for any platform.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You could install android on something, and run one of the open source TV launchers

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

OS ≠ user interface.

Use whatever OS that runs Kodi or some other user interface the best (with privacy also being considered to be best).

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