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Oh man he's going to be so pissed when he finds out what Intel have been doing for 50 years
This is why I just bought two framework laptops. They're doing the exact opposite.
I'd make an argument for the opposite if we're talking about the general field. The major OEMs are going head first into enshittification, while other companies are building for more open ecosystems.
For anyone looking for a list of manufacturers intentionally trying to make their hardware more compatible with open ecosystems:
I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that are deliberately building intentionally FOR mass compatibility, unlike HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS...etc.
This is not to say there aren't some models from the major manufacturer product lines that aren't widely compatible, but their main focus is not those products.
Hmmmmm, I'll go with Clevo. Because I'm from Cleveland, and it's called Clevo. It's like the PC brand that was too drunk to spell Cleveland. Which is pretty on brand for this city.
They'll get an upvote just for that explanation 😂
Framework is honestly the best thing on the market right now though, gotta say.
My read into this is that Pine is so good it's listed twice.
Oops. Fixed.
Tuxedo Computers from Germany also make PCs specifically for Linux (you can run Windows if you really have to).
Waiting for my InfinityFlex!
I can say I'll never buy another lenovo product again.
My laptop is, of course, broken at both hinges due to ridiculously thin and cheap plastic.
This is inexcusable and only exists to make a few rich people a bit richer.
Well, the rootkits were the last straw for me, a decade ago. Used to buy Lenovo religiously.
Very sad to see the downfall of a once great brand... old Lenovos will easily outlast any new Lenovo.
What are ASRock doing?
ASRock servers, minipcs and mitx industrial boards are highly compatible with Linux, and it's intentional. Sometimes trailing chipset versions just to stay that way.
Interesting; I've associated them with just making cheap boards. Is that changing?
Lol. They are one of the few manufacturers that have made consistently solid products and components for decades. Feels like many have already jumped over to being terrible.
They used to make zanier products (the stuff with ULI chipsets and CPU upgrade slots) back in the 2000s when they were a lowend brand competing with ECS. The feature set between boards is less diverse these days.
This reminds me of how I often assume a lesser known brand is a "small player" in a given industry, only to later find out that they provide parts and/or services to all of the well known brands. Kinda like Mitsubishi in the 80's. Their parts and tech were in everything but their name was mostly associated with cheap electronics and small cars.
Bang for bucks, ASRock is really good. I bought a mobo when the first gen of Ryzen came out and it is still rocking today. It supports up to Matisse series cpu. I paid like, 70-80 bucks back then. I had a lot of value out of it.
It is still living inside a home server and will be soon repurposed into an arcade cabinet.
I think my home server build will eventually be based on a used Asrock industrial mainboard. I’ve heard nothing but good feedback.
I remember them being a bit of a small upstart company years ago when I started paying attention to computer stuff.
I thought he was talking about locked-down bootloaders or something. Because that's a real concern to me.
Can someone tell Scott that they added the driver for his laptop on November 29th? Almost a month before he made this post.
Further, from some light reading on the subject after searching around it sounds like since most stuff is moving to NVMe drives, Intel is indeed slowly removing ACHI from newer devices, which does mean you need those IRST drivers to boot and recognize disks.
I think it's less companies trying to fuck us over and a hiccup in the slow but steady adoption and adaptation of new technologies.
EDIT:
Here's the Intel Rapid Store Technology driver for the other PC he pointed out, too. This one was added in November 2023.
This seems like it's a non-issue and maybe this guy just doesn't know what the IRST acronym stands for?
Much ado about literally nothing. This is literally based on nothing but his own speculation based on his failure to find these drivers that literally exist and are available. Honestly should be removed as misinformation since both PCs he mentioned have IRST drivers available right now.
most stuff is moving to NVMe drives,
NO!!! GOD DAMMIT, NO!!! 2.5" SSD's JUST NOW GOT CHEAP ENOUGH TO BUY!!! NO!!!! FUCK ALL THIS PLANNED OBSOLETE CRAP!!! I'm going to keep buying SSD's, and I have a whole little system. It's like NES cartridges.
I buy the big ones as the slave drives, and the little ones as the OS drives. And when I want to swap out, I just turn off my PC, swap out one hard drive for another, and pristo bingo blammo I'm on a tottally different OS.
Okay that's totally fine, SATA ports aren't going anywhere for a while. And you can always add more via PCIe cards. Just buy regular size boards and you'll be fine.
Are those PCIe cards any good? Because I used up all the ones on my motherboard and I can fit more drives in my case.
Yes, as long as you don't get the bottom of the barrel cheap ones. Also make sure you have enough power for the drives.
Awesome, thanks!
It's the same with NVMe, what do you mean.
Have you ever opened a 2.5" sata ssd? half of the box is empty, it's just there so you can screw it to the case on the other side. I hope that form factor will die soon. We need nvme in m.2 format for everything small, and 3.5" for servers. 2.5" should disappear.
What they need to do is take that mostly empty 2.5" drive, and cram it full of flash chips. Why have we been stuck with 8TB as the largest consumer drives for a few years now? I can understand it a bit for NVMe due to the physical form factor, but there's no excuse for 2.5" drives. It doesn't seem that complicated. For example, all Samsung would have to do is take the 2.5" 8TB 870 QVO, double the number of chips in it, then sell it for twice the price. I'd buy one.
Presumably the demand isn't there, £1200 is a lot for a consumer drive and spinning rust is 1/3 the price.
Demand might be low, but on the other hand the cost to develop and manufacture a run of the drives may not be too high either.
I do have to say the increase in flash memory prices haven't helped. A year ago I bought the Samsung 8TB drive for $300 (US). If they had a 16TB model for $600-$700 I would have bought it.
Wait, you're swapping hardware to switch to a different OS? Why? Just make a dual boot system
It’s like NES cartridges.
In the sense that the card edge connector plugs directly into a slot on the motherboard instead of being connected via a cable, M.2 drives are more like NES cartridges than 2.5" drives are.
No, not slowly. They've been accelerating toward this.
That's why I think computers should be like in year 2000. Not because I'm some luddite, but because you can't increase complexity indefinitely without laws of the market changing. Today's general-purpose computer systems are so complex that they encourage behavior that wouldn't be competitive then, because then there were more choice and the industry was much easier to get into.
There are things one can live without.
Especially funny, because new cultural phenomena involving computing are as applicable today as they were in year 2000. What was added since then seems to be about, well, that amount of gaslighting, propaganda and primate instinct abuse made real by centralized social media, and about everyone carrying surveillance devices.
Not everything is progress, some things are just experience. I think wisdom may be in losing that.
This also won't be unprecedented, supersonic passenger airliners are not operated today, and creation of an actual space colony seems much further than it was even 20 years ago, and unification of the Earth into one huge federated state has not happened after Cold War ending, and we don't carry around devices with nuclear batteries.
Such airliners were in operation. Such a colony was being seriously devised. Such a political project ... I guess, was more of a propaganda device both on the Western and on the Soviet sides, but many things done and attempted hint that it wasn't all dreams. Nuclear batteries exist.
So. Computers produced in a few enormous God level foundries, with technology far harder to achieve than nuclear shield, centralized to a few companies, with processes approaching theoretical physical limitations, being the necessary element of our daily lives. I don't think that's a good idea by any measure, if you forget what you know about our world and just read this sentence and imagine some alternative one.
Slowly? No.
Yes, Yes, Yes & Yes
Dell blocking the BIOS is a bit slim to claim "PC hardware companies", but they definitely are. HP's crap too in this regard.
Cramming more and more stuff into a SOC leads to this for sure but it's hardly the only factor. Built-in obsolescence also plays a heavy role.
Why is this entire Lemmy community just weird leading-title BS articles about nothing?
Because you're not contributing to the betterment of it.
I think this is pretty much a non-issue. If the Windows installer is broken, that's not necessarily Dell's fault. And you could just install a different OS with NVMe support.. I've stopped switching everything to "legacy" and AHCI a long time ago...
