https://youtu.be/fcNQgL913jM wasn't bad either
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Humans are space capybaras
Its like that scene in the pilot of community where Jeff snaps the pencil:
Jeff Winger: What makes humans different from other animals? We're the only species on earth that observes Shark Week. Sharks don't even observe Shark Week, but we do. For the same reason I can pick up this pencil, tell you its name is Steve and go like this...
[breaks pencil] Abed reacts in shock
Jeff Winger: and part of you dies just a little bit on the inside. Because people can connect with anything. We can sympathize with a pencil, we can forgive a shark, and we can give Ben Affleck an Academy Award for screenwriting.
Humans are good at anthropomorphizing everything. Even aliens.
Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't like it.
Agimus intensifies
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Even Ben Affleck.
"Humans are the loveable idiots in the galaxy."
See also: Farscape.
"I love that idiot. Let's make him president."
It's just that humans get to have all kinds of personalities while other races are for the most part depicted as being exactly what the cliche of their races would be if they truly existed.
Therefore Star Trek is racist.
Perhaps the most egregious example would be the Klingons. Worf talks of Klingons in an idealized sense, code of honor and all that. But apart from him and Martok, most of the Klingons we see are stupid and belligerent, and just as conniving as any Romulan. If you assume that the totality of them as a people are what we see of them there's simply no way they would ever have adopted the scientific method let alone made it into space. Somewhere out there there would have to be klingon scientists, lawyers, janitors, engineers, doctors, artists, etc. All we hear about is warriors but they alone do not make a civilization.
I thought the Klingons didn't develop space travel on their own. Weren't they invaded by another race and then the Klingons eventually defeated them, and took their technology for themselves?
I always figured Worf had an idealized view of Klingon honor, given it was a culture he cherished but wasn't actually raised in. Dax also calls him out on his atypical behavior - "Klingons do not laugh." "No, you don't laugh!"
Dax also called out the empire on their bullshit. Everyone there was a snake. Backstabbing , lying, cheating. Prattle on about honour then go and behave like slightly dimwitted Romulans. At least Romulans are honest about valuing cunning and guile above all else. The workings of the Klingons empire are also a great demonstration of why monarchy is a bad idea.
That was especially Ezri Dax and IMO a great way for the writers to show that Jadzia and Ezri are very different. Jadzia was very into Klingon culture and kind of celebrated the backstabbing and cheating way of the Klingons. She played the game and enjoyed it. Ezri was more like "you guys are hypocrites and you suck"
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There are definitely more Klingon professions shown on screen. There's a Klingon Chef working on DS9, there are more than one case where we see Klingon lawyers and I remember at least one Klingon Scientist. And while B'Elanna is only half-Klingon, her character shows how a Klingon could work as an engineer. All of them probably cases of toxic work environments, but they seem to work. What we see mostly on screen are the crew of warships. Other species must think every Human is a scientist or diplomat.
simply no way they would ever have adopted the scientific method let alone made it into space.
Isn't it canon that they stole most of the spacefaring technology from the Romulans when they made first contact?
I really enjoyed Strange New Worlds portrayal of vulcans, they were much more nuanced.
I really appreciate that the new shows actually demonstrate how Spock and T'Lyn are mavericks. They only seem stoic and stuffy because they're around humans; put them with other vulcans and they're clearly much more emotional and, counterintuitively, more rational, than their peers.
"I regret that you had to witness that outburst."
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The concept behind Enterprise was compelling and clever, I just wish it got different actors, writers and plots.
I just wish it got different actors
Jeffrey Combs doesn't count as an actor in Star Trek. He's part of the lore in every Star Trek like phasers and warp drive.
It's like how all races are more or less humanoid, all races also have a Jeffrey Combs phenotype. All of them.
The original race that seeded the galaxy with dna must have been all made up of Jeffrey Combs.
Pikachu face
You can thank me later
Hey that's not fair, clearly I didn't mean JC.
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Enterprise has some incredible episodes, but I just can't with the temporal cold war arc.
Well anytime the humans try to stereotype the others to support an argument of "we can't ally our selves with them" there's always some lieutenant noting "but Anderson over there isn't like twice as [insert stereotype] and we generally manage to deal with him."
Humans have so much more variance than Vulcans or Klingons or any of the other races which are just incredibly narrow societies ideologically.
Typical definition of outgroups.
We are: <many good things, with variability, nuance and tolerance>
They are: <not as good, shallow and not complex, predictable>
Hence lieutenant Woof is always saying "they're going to attack us, we should attack first" every episode.
Then there's romulans. Fuck romulans.
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I always saw it as other species being a bit frightened about humans and their potential. Just like in D&D - the first take is that the human is the generic baseline and all the other races are cooler because they have different special abilities. Then you realize that being generic means you can go any direction and still have the other abilities, just not top level. Humans are OP because they are so versatile. Add in emotions and irrational behavior, and other species would rather just be on good terms with us, even if they find us distasteful. Don't poke the humans.
"They irradiated their own planet?"
Klingons: okay we don't get it
Vulcan science academy: what what?
Klingons: You Vulcans are a bunch of stuffy prisses but you're also tougher, stronger, and smarter than humans in every single way. Why do you let them run your Federation?
VSA: Look. This is a species where if you give them two warp cores, they don't do experiments on one and save the other for if the first one blows up. This is a species where if you give them two warp cores, they will ask for a third one, immediately plug all three into each other, punch a hole into an alternate universe where humans subscribe to an even more destructive ideological system, fight everyone in it because they're offended by that, steal their warp cores, plug those together, punch their way back here, then try to turn a nearby star into a torus because that was what their initial scientific experiment was for and they didn't want to waste a trip.
VSA: They did that last week, we have the write-up right here. It's getting published in about six hundred scientific journals across two hundred different disciplines because of how many established theories their ridiculous little experiment has just called into question. Also, they did turn that sun into a torus, and no one actually knows how.
VSA: This is why we let them do whatever the hell they want.
Klingons: Can we be a part of your Federation?
We're Deathworlders.
As a result of evolving on one of the most dangerous temperate worlds in the galaxy; with higher than Galactic Standard (9.81 m/s² vs 7.55 m/s²) gravity, poisonous plants and animals, competing with carnivores, infectious microorganisms, natural disasters e.g. earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes, high background radiation, Humans have developed unique physiology to galactic species at large.
First chapter is a banger.
https://deathworlders.com/books/deathworlders/chapter-00-kevin-jenkins-experience/
Lemmy could use something like Reddit's "Humans Fuck Yeah!". https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/
Glad you pointed this series out.
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Reminds me of Footfall where the humans nuke Kansas because that's where the aliens setup headquarters.
"They nuked their own breadbasket just to get a handful of us! These humans are crazy!"
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To be fair about that last bit, isnt having engaged in nuclear war at some point relatively common for species in the star trek verse? I seem to recall the Vulcans having done similar?
I don't know that answer, but I do know that Vulcan prehistory was probably worse than Earth's. The difference is that Vulcans came to realize how dangerous their emotions were and learned how to suppress them to survive. What may scare them is that humans managed to stay emotional and survive. How? It's not logical.
I can't remember who says it, but this comes up in the Syrrannite arc of ENT S4. That Humans reached the stars (warp drive) 100 years after their nuclear wars, when it took Vulcans 1500 years and suppressing their emotions. It was revealed as the main driving force behind the Vulcans saying Humans weren't ready to visit other worlds.
OMG, the kids actually saved the marriage.
someone find that long post about how the vulcans let us lead because all the crazy shit we do makes breakthroughs that nobody saw coming
Do you mean this exchange? 
omfg i haven't seen the FULL thing in like 5 years. just the bit about punching through universes. thank you :D
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If I knew what to search for I would find it. It was beautiful.
Space capybara
Putting the "human" in galactic HR since 2161.
ENT is the best Star Trek because of Porthos. It’s not even a contest. Best character in any Trek, ever.
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Seriously, what species (other than those stuffy Vulcans) wouldn't want to get a beer with Trip?
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