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[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

It's weird how borders can move around on their own without any action from anyone.

Edit: On a more serious note, where exactly does this type of bias come from? I don't think of the AP as a highly ideological organization but is there some top-down pressure to frame things in a certain way? Does it come from the outside? Or is it just the prejudices of individual journalists and editors at play?

[–] Maggoty 47 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Israel has several lobbying organizations that watch news organizations and lodge complaints with them if coverage isn't favorable. Check out the ex CNN employee who recently said they literally couldn't publish without Isreal's permission.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s not even Israel either, Zionists world wide do it for free.

There was a big leak of a group chat of influential Zionists in Australia a while ago were they planning how to get people fired, coordinate complaints to the media, etc.

[–] DicJacobus 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Insane. Marginally related... I've learned the last year or so since I took up a moderator position for a computer game.. Some complaints you just gotta disregard no matter how many people whine. Being offended is a you problem. not ours. I've had this happen equally amongst people who were percieved as right wing, or lefties.

evidentley the news doesn't know enough to just laugh at the whining and disregard the complaint.

[–] Maggoty 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The problem is they're a profit seeking organization. And groups like CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America) can buy billboards telling people you're a bad product and influence investors to stay away and invest in other news organizations.

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[–] Keeponstalin 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Manufacturing Consent

The essential ingredients of our propaganda model, or set of news "filters," fall under the following headings: (I) the size, concentrated ownership, owner wealth, and profit orientation of the dominant mass-media firms; (~) advertising as the primary income source of the mass media; (3) the reliance of the media on information provided by government, business, and "experts" funded and approved by these primary sources and agents of power; (4) "flak" as a means of disciplining the media; and (5) "anticommunism" as a national religion and control mechanism. These elements interact with and reinforce one another. The raw material of news must pass through successive filters, leaving only the cleansed residue fit to print. They fix the premises of discourse and interpretation, and the definition of what is newsworthy in the first place, and they explain the basis and operations of what amount to propaganda campaigns.

https://chomsky.info/consent01/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Thanks, I've been meaning to read this book for a long time. Maybe the time has finally come.

[–] Keeponstalin 11 points 1 week ago

Consequences of Capitalism: Manufacturing Discontent and Resistance by Noam Chomsky and Marv Waterstone is also a worthwhile read if you get around to it

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago

Israel doesn't actively do anything, they are to be referred to in the passive voice only. Russia is the one who invades, shoots and kills people. Bullets fly into the heads of Palestinians and Israeli borders move, no responsibility here.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sometimes because the paper is financed/owned by some party that profits off of the colonial & genocidal project, sometimes because the paper gets scoops from 3 letter agencies who make such requests in return for scoops, sometimes it’s racism that the writer might not even aware of, but most often it’s a combination of those.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I guess I was wondering if there's specific evidence of the way it works in this particular case. The AP is a non-profit, so it doesn't have the same structure as a privately or publicly owned firm. But of course, there's still the possibility of leadership imposing views onto its workers, though I think that's a little more challenging with a nonprofit. But I am curious about them because they are the source of a large amount of news published by other sources, so if they are biased then that bias infects the rest of the media whether they want it or not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I don’t know about AP specifically, but it’s a good question.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

There's an inherent bias towards treating government statements as fact (whether that's police, government officials or military spokesmen). When the other side is a 'terrorist organisation' or a 'community leader', they're automatically treated as biased and suspicious. It's a pattern you see with Israel, police shootings, etc.

Obviously when the country in question isn't aligned with the West (Russia, China, etc), the qualifiers and doubt comes creeping back in, and journalists will include examples of past lies to underscore the point, which you'll never see in a story about the NYPD or Matthew Miller.

[–] pingveno 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is a cherry picked headline. Here is another from the AP that gives a different story: "Middle East latest: Israel plans an extended occupation of Syrian buffer zone"

[–] AgentDalePoopster 14 points 1 week ago

Even that is far too mild. The Syrian "buffer zone" is there to "protect" the Golan Heights, which was also originally pitched as a "buffer zone". Wonder what the long term plans are for this new "buffer zone", and which zone will buffer it next?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why was the cherry there in the first place that it got picked? Stupid headline or article, even if its only one, needs to be called out on

[–] AgentDalePoopster 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh it's not stupid, it's an intentional effort to manufacture consent.

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[–] PugJesus 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Formal annexation by Russia happened significantly later than occupation of the land. Israel is at the 'occupation of the land' stage.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

OK but come on, are you really implying that the framing is the same here? And we all knew what Russia planned back then and we know what Israel plans today. Do you think when it’s “official” we’ll see the headline on the left for Israel? I don’t think so.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I think that the important perspective here is the phase of the land grab operation and the perceived statelessness of Syria. When Russian troops walked into Crimea the press wasn't ready to call it an outright invasion and it certainly didn't feel like one. Syria currently is not in the situation of enforcing their territorial integrity and the military strikes at military targets in Syria have some kind of international legitimation, independent of if those are valid. Same goes for Turkey. So while it would be appropriate to call out Israel and Turkey for their opportunistic raids into Syria, I can see while the press struggles to name it appropriately. Again, not because it's right, but because the circumstances are favorable to remain cautious about the language.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Disgusting, these media titans should be held accountable for manufacturing consent on genocide.

[–] pennomi 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Using what laws though? I’m not aware of any actual method that can hold them accountable.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Laws aren’t static, but the law also isn’t the only way to justice. In this case it clearly isn’t.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Anonymous needs to do some hacktivism...

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago

Even the one on the left is still too soft on Putin.

[–] Snowclone 26 points 1 week ago

Gotta love that passive language making autocracy sound mild.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
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[–] finitebanjo 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be fair, Israel has also lost territory that they previously stole in large amounts on the Lebanon front.

Most of the land they've gained was in Palestine, but the USA and UK probably didn't recognize the Palestinian statehood anyways.

The pedantic difference here is like the difference between increasing and strictly increasing.

[–] Fedizen 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What goes through editor's heads on this shit?

[–] kreskin 5 points 1 week ago

That they dont want to be fired by their genocide sympathizing bosses.

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[–] Gammelfisch 8 points 1 week ago

Indeed, WTF. The Native Americans would view the US westward expansion like AP's headline about the shitstain Putin.

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