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[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

Weird how the people shooting up substations aren't being charged with terrorism...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

OK, actually this quite fits the definition of terrorism by the FBI:

Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Personally I think that this definition sucks. If I steal an egg to make a statement against capitalism this might as well be considered terrorism. For reference I looked up the German definition of terrorism and I think that this definition is much better(translated with deeply since I'm lazy):

Terrorism is the sustained fight for political goals that are to be achieved with the help of attacks on the life, limb and property of other people, in particular through serious criminal offences such as those listed in Section 129a (1) of the German Criminal Code (StGB) or through other criminal offences that serve to prepare such offences.

The main difference is, that this definition only includes high level crimes and it also states that there has to be an active fight against some form of political system. I wouldn't be to sure if the murder of the UHC CEO would be considered terrorism under the German definition. The reason I'm not so sure is, because I wouldn't count one assassination an active prolonged fight(take this with a grain of salt, I'm not a lawyer or have any serious knowledge on the law).

Don't understand me wrong, I also think that calling this is bullshit, I just want to inform you, that this isn't anything they made out of thin air.

[–] sunbytes 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Ever notice how anyone fighting the status quo (even actual rebels in a state of war) are always called terrorists?

It's a way to condemn by association (and dehumanise), as well as use all the anti-terror legal loopholes against you.

[–] DicJacobus 3 points 16 hours ago

Pirates and emperors

The emperor imprisons thr pirate and berates him for thr violent chaos he was perpetuating against his empire . Calling him a pirate and a terrorist

Thr pirate replies "you do the same things to your own people and foreigners. When I burn down a house you call it terrorism. When you do it. You call it thr cost of war.

My actions are vilified because I'm a pirate. Your actions are excused because you're an emperor

... or something like that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Would this make the police a terrorist organisation?

[–] cley_faye 84 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, look at that. We finally found what is needed to have a white "terrorist" instead of "someone with issues": just target ultra rich people.

[–] zarathustra0 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the difference in nomenclature may be down to how close the actions are to affecting real change.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Nah. Terrorism is a term exclusively reserved in the West for when rich people suffer consequences at the hands of those significantly poorer than them.

It is a completely valid, justifiable, and effective form of asymmetric warfare.

The ruling class wants to create the narrative that the only people who are allowed to fight back are those who spend lots of money, further enriching them in the process.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know the difference between knowing and understanding something?

Well I feel like I just went from knowing to understanding that I live in a fascist state.

[–] feedum_sneedson 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you are ruled by enclaves of capital

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

Control is enforced via useful idiots.

[–] werefreeatlast 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm also terrified by by insurance policy. Could someone do something about those terrorist?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Someone did, but just the one time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

We need more heroes like him.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Their terrorist, our freedom fighter

[–] Cosmonauticus 3 points 1 day ago

Hopefully ppl will realize the actual difference been the two

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Great. Can Americans now use that against police, or better yet, the government itself?

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The irony is that this was done to score propaganda points, but, and especially if Luigi keeps arguing the manifesto was fake and planted on him, this will make it harder for the charges to stick.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How can you even prove it was planted. Its your word against the cops and well, we may know cops are lying but the court won't care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago

That's for the courts to decide.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The way the law works in this country is they have to prove the evidence wasn't planted more than the Defense needs to prove it was.

Ken Penders insisting Archie's contract with him was forged was enough to win him publishing rights even with Ken's track record as a liar.

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[–] [email protected] 178 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And now the words “terrorist” and “hero” have become synonymous, undoing decades of 9/11 imperialist propaganda in one fell swoop.

I mean I wish. But a man can dream.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Hopefully this should open some eyes, but 9/11 was literally America's version of the recent invasion in Israel.

If anyone reads Osama Bin Laden's manifesto, he explicitly states that Western support for Israel is one of the main reasons for the attack.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah. I remember as a kid wondering why they would attack the states like that and my parents and every other adult I asked have different versions of “they hate our freedom” or “they’re Muslim extremists and want everyone who isn’t Muslim to die.” I live in Canada so I can only imagine how much worse it was in the US. To me, even as a child of 11 years old, that sounded far fetched and didn’t make much sense. Once the internet became popular I looked it up and realized it wasn’t as black and white, good vs evil as all that. Honestly that’s one of the things that made me start seeing the US as an evil country and start realizing what imperialism was and how horrific it was for the world.

[–] SpaceNoodle 108 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is who wins the war.

[–] horse_battery_staple 63 points 2 days ago

Or who owns the paper reporting it

[–] CitizenKong 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The rebels in Star Wars are technically terrorists. Lucas even modeled them after the Vietkong. Same for the Fremen in Dune. In the book, Paul's holy war is called the Jihad.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he can be charged as a terrorist, so should the ceo's that let people die for a profit

[–] [email protected] 123 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If he can be charged as a terrorist, so can Rittenburg, the Jan 6th rioters, and school shooters

[–] FlowVoid 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Ethan Crumbley was, in fact, charged with one count of "terrorism causing death". And he pleaded guilty.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His lawyers should go for a defense of others defense. Millions of lives were in imminent danger. He had no choice but to act.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I simultaneously do and do not want to see the trolly problem diagram in that courtroom.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

well, unless it results in a mistrial we'll find out how everybody in that courtroom feels about the trolley problem.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] AbidanYre 49 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Somehow I'm less scared of Luigi than of those assholes.

[–] EmpathicVagrant 28 points 2 days ago

One is a coordinated group working in lockstep to collapse everything as a primary political party that’s not only in power but in charge of every part of government.

The other is a single guy who acted in the interest of average people by killing someone ‘valuable’

The year of Luigi was 11 years early.

[–] poo 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Huh, I guess a terrorist is a national hero. Hope others follow his fine work

[–] LordWiggle 10 points 1 day ago

Coughs in Elon

[–] ThePantser 82 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Justice is swift when it's money on the line.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

In totally unrelated threat to billionaire news:

The OpenAI whistleblowers death has been ruled a suicide.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago

Justice is swift when it’s ~~money~~ ruling authority on the line.

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

In addition, Mangione has been charged with a second count of murder in the second degree, "pertaining to the fact that the killing was intentional,"

The fuck kind of bullshit is that? They're just making up the legal system because rich guy hurt.

Also, just to keep things straight in case people don't know. He has a lawyer for the PA charges, and a separate lawyer for the NY charges.

[–] pretzelz 10 points 1 day ago

In NY state, murder of the first degree is reserved for murder against a police officer or something related. So not an average civilian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_in_New_York_law?wprov=sfla1

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[–] LordWiggle 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At least he will get better healthcare in prison.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're trying to end that, Republicans making the claim you can and should deny healthcare to prisoners

[–] LordWiggle 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No more healthcare, work without pay, convicted for bullshit reasons, locked up in conditions which are crimes against humanity... Americans call it correctional facilities, to cover up they are actually slave labor camps. Just like they do not torture, they call it "enhanced interrogation". Even though it's the same technique as torture, it's ok now because it's named differently. Because slave labor camps are named "correctional institute" it's all good man!

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We are all terrorists on this blessed day.

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