Yeah, Tubgirl would have been better!
this post was submitted on 17 Dec 2024
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She gets knocked down, but she gets up again. You’re never gonna keep her down.
(song title is Tubthumping for anyone confused)
Harry Tubgirl.
Mizz! Dot Gov! Let's get out of here.
Mizz and DotGov was such a good joke in a show absolutely filled to the brim with good jokes.
I've never heard of this until now, so take it with several grains of salt.
I'd imagine the complaints stem from the fact that she was never in charge of the country.
But then they should have complained when Ben Franklin was announced.
Or maybe they did complain when Ben Franklin was announced, but you can't really go "look at these bigots hating on Benjamin Franklin," so that wasn't shared around as much.
Of course even if that were the case, there would be people who draw the line at Tubman and not Franklin anyways, which could be a case of actual bigotry.
Or maybe a significant subset of the audience wasn't taught in school that Tubman was that influential, and sees this as blowing a historical figure out of proportion.
They also have Confucius in this one, who also only became popular after his death. When he was alive, he was just a middling beuracrat with a following of maybe a couple dozen people.
Don't think he got many complaints...
Ben Franklin could almost be considered something like a shadow leader, with very little direct power but a significant amount of political influence. I haven't played newer Civ, if a Ben Franklin play purely buffs soft power, trade/research agreements, etc, I could see this working. He was still an actual statesman though, so even still he's on paper a better choice. But he's not a great choice if the build isn't based on soft political influence. But Tubman just wasn't that kind of leader, what she did was amazing, but it wasn't really leadership of a civilization.
Ghandi was never a statesman.
Nuclear launch detected.
She may not be a state leader, but she is a spiritual leader and civ has had a lot of those. Some people lead with a military or beuracracy, but others lead by embodying a spirit, becoming a symbol of it and inspiring others to do the same. This spirit could be patriotic, religious, ethical or liberatory, either way a person's passion and commitment to, and articulation of that spirit can draw others in and spread its influence just as much if not more than a state institution.
In the same vein tubman is a leader so is confucius who is also in the new civ. During his lifetime he was just an advisor to a petty king who rarely listened to with a small following. But after his death he became a symbol of ethics whose spirit looms large over much of east Asia. His influence is far greater than the Zhou or any of the other kings of the spring and autumn, yet he ranked far below them during his time.
I imagine the at least some portion of the criticism comes from irritated leftists as well. Harriet Tubman is basically a civ leader chosen to pander to and resonate with a certain US-centric audience, but it should be noted the lack of representation of actual African civilizations as compared to a continent like Europe. Here's a couple maps to show what I mean:
https://i.redd.it/6hjvikrkwuu71.png
https://preview.redd.it/bc6rvax3m4851.png?auto=webp&s=6fb79dd4a68ce627fbd530d7105ef0385ca23d8c
It's inherent imperialism and pandering that the same western countries are given so much love when there are so many really cool civs out there that haven't been explored at all. Not to mention the fact that the majority of the African civilizations and city states that have made it into the game are centered (unsurprisingly) around the Mediterranean sea.
William Howard Taft was the real tub man leader.
Roosevelt walked so Taft could waddle.
Fun fact:
William Howard Taft, the 27th US president, had a custom-built bathtub installed in the White House to accommodate his size. The massive, porcelain tub was over seven feet long, 41 inches wide, and weighed a ton
They are all bland.
It's hard to believe that they never achieved Alpha Centauri levels of Charisma. Not even close.
Meanwhile Guilty Gear has BEDMAN.
Who is, in fact, a man who is now a bed.
Militaristic because she was a scout?
Seems like a stretch, cultural diplomacy seems more fitting
She would've been at Harper's ferry fighting with John Brown, if she hadn't fallen I'll. So it fits for sure, although I'm not sure if more than the others. She's an all-round badass
Get her a CEO and she'll shoot it