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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/23478086

Common Dreams Staff Dec 10, 2024

[contains transcript (corroborated by NBC) published by Ken Klippenstein]

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Can't wait for the the documentary about the planted evidence and how this guy was a fall guy.

[–] ilmagico 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Please stop posting this unless we have proof that he wrote it himself, a picture of it, or at the very least some kind of new information that the previous 10 posts on the subject didn't have.

All these articles eventually trace back to the same one guy that claims to "have the manifesto" source "trust me bro"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Ken Klippenstein is the bro and he is diligent about the trust me. This is an instance where I think it's reasonable to "trust me bro".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

I mean, if he doesn’t say it’s his manifesto, we need to be skeptical. Since he is claiming he is not guilty right now, we have to assume this is something weird.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

Nobody pleads guilty to murder. There's no reason to without a really good plea bargain which is very unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

The PA may want a deal for a quick trial. The publicity of a long and drawn out trial won't look good for all the rich, corrupt, assholes in power. They'll want it to be over quickly and get Luigi shoved out of the lime light. Also, especially without a plea there is a very real chance that one of the jurors could vote "not guilty", which would shine a huge spotlight on the fact that jurors can simply vote "not guilty" if they support whatever a defendant has done and they'd get off completely free, which again, the rich and powerful would dreadfully hate.

So I could see a lot of reasons that a prosecutor would strike a very good plea bargain with Luigi. The risk of an acquittal or long trial that could fuel copycat killings or a huge power shift in the US seems pretty realistic.

[–] Rapidcreek 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] modus 1 points 1 hour ago

He didn't exactly have money for a lawyer.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I think most people plea guilty to murder if they are guilty.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You can think whatever you want. That's not true though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I’m sure you have statistics to back up your opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, most rational people plead not guilty and are so advised by their lawyers unless they specifically have a good deal lined up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Disagree. Most rational people who are charged with murder (and who did it) take the prosecution’s deal.

However, if none of us are presenting peer reviewed statistics, we are all just making assumptions.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2023/02/plea-bargain-task-force/

Plea bargaining has become the primary way to resolve criminal cases in the United States, with nearly 98% of convictions nationwide currently coming from guilty pleas.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It does not look like the same person, it is super fishy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Those brows don’t lie. But I am definitely open to evidence that he was not it. This should be a very fascinating trial

[–] very_well_lost 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't take a "not guilty" plea as evidence of much.

Pleading "not guilty" is the only way to get in front of a jury, which is probably the best chance he has at this point — both in terms of staying out of jail and in terms of boosting his message.

A trial will inevitably become a media circus, and a media circus is great if your goal is bringing attention to your particular ideology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Hopefully it’s televised like the O.J. Simpson trial

[–] just_another_person 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

No lawyer should/would let you plead guilty in a case like this. You have to plead not guilty first, then create a defense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Well, they would if the prosecution offered a deal. Which I’m sure they did not