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The cops responded to a call saying "Yeah I think he's here," believed it and arrived in force within the time a person spends at a MacDonald (was the suspect playing in the ball pit?) and arrested him, finding the incriminating gun and silencer he had no reason to keep, along with a "manifesto"" which is a rarity among sane people but shooters have to have one according to cops?
Sounds reasonable.
Jfc I am so tired of conspiracies asserted so confidently anytime anything interesting happens. Can y’all just wait for like two goddamn seconds for information to come out instead of letting XXpatriotXx or whoever on YouTube and tiktok whip y’all up into a frenzy? Or are we all just going to start acting like tinfoil hat rightwingers desperately trying to make their lives sound more interesting?
Firstly, I haven't been whipped up by anyone, I came up with that myself, before I read anything else.
Secondly, yeah, I was somewhat hasty.
Comments like yours are what lead people to behave that way man. I understand I’m coming off very harsh but I honestly think people need to take these things more seriously
I read a great comment the other day: “think about who your memes give ammo to.“ The same goes for conspiracy theories. You need to think about the audience that could be impacted by it, you are contributing to the cloud of misinformation.
I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories, but there's a massive motivation for the US government to find anyone who looks about right and is disgruntled and then frame them, or plant evidence on someone they found through an illegal means. The US surveillance state uses parallel construction all the time to hide the actual (often illegal) ways they find someone.
Plus, if you don't have a suspect, the message to all the proles out there is that you can kill CEOs and get away with it. The internet just showed that the only reason the working class aren't doing The Purge on CEOs is fear of consequences. That's a critical threat to the ruling class, and they will 100% frame, pay to take the fall or blackmail someone into it rather than not convict somebody.
It doesn't line up at all that he brought a handwritten copy of his manifesto plus his fake IDs and his recently used murder weapon to a Macdonalds. Especially after being careful about escaping the city, and the amount of practice he had to smoothly clear the jams when he shot Thompson shows this was premeditated.
Unless he takes the jury stand and uses it to verbally blast the ruling class and try to incite more violence, this ain't the shooter IMO.
Theory I heard is that he wanted to be arrested, because he has a plan, maybe using court as a stage for making a public statement.
And that he may even tell the mcDonald worker to rat him out and collect the money.
Probably far from truth, but it would be cool if all that was true.
Only to have the reward money claim rejected because" without his tip they would have caught him anyway" or any other bullshit reason, just like insurance companies love to do. Oh the irony.
~~It was a McDonald's customer who turned him in.~~ (Edit: the article I read has been updated)
But I can't help but find the whole thing really suspicious. In his possession they found a gun, silencer, and three-page hand written manifesto.
Who handwrites an essay before going out to kill someone? That just feels hard to believe.
Who handwrites an essay before going out to kill someone? That just feels hard to believe.
The kind of person who writes a message on the bullet casing (and fully expects to get caught).
The pictures of Mangione don't even match the other pictures they've put out of the suspect. Dude's brow line is completely different.
I low key have been wondering since the press conference last night if they used facial recognition software to find him.
They said he had multiple fake IDs on him. I find it crazy that he took so many precautions in New York and was just walking around with all that in his pockets.
Right? This guy they picked up had a ghost gun, silencer, and manifesto on him despite all the other careful planning? I mean, I know criminals very often fuck up in very stupid ways but who is dumb enough to use a ghost gun, but not dispose of it after using it for a crime? And also walk around with basically an admission of guilt? Something is fishy.
The NYPD will walk into his interrogation room and conveniently walk out with an admission of guilt that they totally didn't use "enhanced interrogation techniques" to get.
Something is fishy.
Yeah, they need a fall guy to dissuade copycats, so they're going to frame the first close match they find.
They are deff running serious fake news op on pinning it on this guy...
But it still doesn't make sense to me. Do all of that just to be picked at fastslop after cashier snitches on you?
I still think it's him. To me it looked similar.
Also he had the same fake ID he used to check into the hostel? What the heck is this guy doing? While it seemed likely he would be caught eventually, disposing of the ID, his guns, the manifesto, and staying in his basement for a while would be by far the best course of action, not going to a McDonalds and eating it inside
He probably also had some copies of The Sims on him
This is the US, where people dont follow instructions like robots. He was actually found carrying three EA Game Cards.
But I can’t help but find the whole thing really suspicious.
He was America's Most On TV Human for the last week. I'm not shocked someone recognized him. And its not like he was picked off a bus in Manhattan at random. The guy was traced all the way to Pennsylvania.
He probably could have gotten away if he'd laid low for another week or two. But this absolutely sounds like a guy with some serious mental health issues who was not thinking ten steps ahead as everyone in the fandom wanted to believe. He was just some angry 20-year-old doing a more newsworthy version of a school shooting, not The Leftist Jackal plotting elaborate Mission Impossible style assassinations.
Who handwrites an essay before going out to kill someone?
The same kind of person who signs their bullet casings.
Carrying all of the evidence related to the crime several days later is very out of character with the careful preparation and execution of the crime itself, and a little too convenient for an open/shut case. The ruling class absolutely needs to crush someone very publicly right now out of fear of copycats.
I personally think he wanted to be caught on purpose.
He wasn't traced there though? They just found a guy that conveniently had all that shit on him like come on
I feel like he could be on TV but the majority of the public puts that in the back of their mind and not something they are looking out for. I really think it's this guy and he had a message from his now deleted YouTube videos that were supposed to be released after he was caught. We will never know unless he shares more in court what is going on. The only lead I have seen is his review of Teds book, and how much it spoke of someone fed up with the system and making a point that "those who don't stand up to commit violence are cowards or the accused" or among those lines.
I feel like he could be on TV but the majority of the public puts that in the back of their mind and not something they are looking out for.
You don't need the majority to recognize him. Your just need a random distribution over a wide area.
We will never know unless he shares more in court what is going on.
"Everything to support the claim is made up" is going to be the rallying cry of an increasingly fringe group over time
The rest of y'all really not have a few manifestos just laying around?
From AP News:
In a news release, police say officers made contact with the man who was then arrested on unrelated charges
Same old shit, just come up with something like “he took 31 minutes in the dining area so we got out the batons”
Article in question. AP news has like 5 articles all about this single investigation.
The 'unrelated charges' were possessing fake IDs and an unregistered firearm.
But this opens a whole new can of worms. You’re telling me he was smart enough to evade capture for a week, but wasn’t smart enough to ditch the ghost gun he had used in the murder?
It smells like turned off body cams and planted evidence.
This. I don't believe it. Why wouldn't he at least stash the gun and papers somewhere instead of keeping that shit on him?
If the internet ever finds that McDonald’s employee, I predict they will not be happy about it.
AFAIK it was a customer, not an employee. If it had been the latter, that location would quickly get a serious image problem.
Already does I believe, new one star reviews saying it has a rat problem.
Well, that is one way to put it.
It has some 1 stars before all of this too.
The employee that called it in been all over the news today.
"Sell out your own, cattle!
Maybe we'll throw you a milkbone!"
He recognized that guy from that picture they populated? I don't think so.
Not ironic at all. It's by design.
Can't go through life just assuming every single person you meet is going to be a Team Player.
Says something that he made a half a week and across state lines without anyone ratting on him sooner.
I think they mean we've been propagandized to undermine, oh I'm sorry, "compete with," one another instead of having any social solidarity.
We'd be a threat to the owners as they hurt us for profit if we all understood the reality that they're our common enemy.
For Profit Media: left right, old young, black white, gay straight, beat eachother bloody, poories!
...just don't look up.