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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Religion is irrational, scary, and often violent. It’s a piece of why there’s never peace in the Middle East. I wish I could be as flippant as the rest of you about this.

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[–] WrenFeathers 7 points 3 days ago

I vote we call it the Derp State.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 5 days ago

Supreme Court: (Points at literally anything) That's unconstitutional!

Also Supreme Court: (Re: Post-Constitutional Movement) This is fine.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

Religion has always been the favorite tool of oligarchs. Rules for thee, not for me.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is what the democrats were supposed to protect you from. They failed to do it. You will now spend the next 4 years hoping there is another chance but your chances are gone. The door is closing. Abandon the DNC and look for a new way to manifest the change we need.

[–] jeffw 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Weird copypasta from Russian shills but okay

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Russians want you to be all in on the DNC. They have them cornered and they are predictable. They also wouldn't mind a full on violent revolution. Both these things serve their strategy. What they don't want you doing is breaking ties with established systems and making something they can't predict or control. You're doing more work for Russia then I ever have.

[–] jeffw 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Awww cute line kids. But we know obvious shills when we see them

[–] aviationeast 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Christian Nationalist is an oxymoron and they aren't Christians. Christ is our king and we serve him by being kind to others and giving when it hurts whether that's time, talent, or money. He is not of this world and his kingdom is neither.

This is another cult. Trump is an Antichrist.

Edit: As another has pointed out, they are still Christians. But I stand by the rest its still a cult.

[–] EndlessApollo 47 points 5 days ago (13 children)

They are real Christians. This isn't the middle ages, you can't just call every sect of Christianity but your own heretics. That's a cop-out so you can keep being Christian without feeling bad about what you have in common with them. They're just as Christian as you, and half hearted gatekeeping doesn't do any more to stop them or help innocent people than thoughts and prayers. If you're gonna try and gatekeep Christianity as only the cool peace and love parts of the bible and not the murder and hate and rape and petty divine punishments that make up the other 80% of it, at least actually try to live like Christ and go out and do some charity and volunteer work and protest the fascism conservatives are doing in god's name

[–] Stern 16 points 5 days ago

actually try to live like Christ and go out and do some charity and volunteer work

Whipping bankers is also Christ-like, fwiw

[–] Warl0k3 10 points 5 days ago

Well fucking said.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Why are all religious people obsessed with being ruled by a fucking monarch?

This question is directed at you included.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These books were written in a time where monarchy was the norm across the world and said monarchs could just do whatever the hell they want and basically nobody could do anything about it.

Having a king was a fact of life. The idea of a King above all other Kings, who would hold the unaccountable to account, who understood and sympathized with the plight of the common man, was a very appealing prospect to everyone. It also served to put the literal fear of God into the local monarchs and maybe prevent them from abusing their power too badly.

This still holds today because of the traditions of the holy books. Christ has been "the king of all kings" as written from the very beginning, and this was most likely political propaganda intended to reign in actual kings. But the title has stuck even when monarchy hasn't stuck around in a lot of places.

In addition the relationship between the Abrahamic God and His followers is heavily modeled off the relationship between a feudal lord and his vassals. That's why they call him Lord. The people follow the rules and regulations of the Lord, and provide him with income, and in return the Lord protects them from disaster or invaders. The same dynamic is used to illustrate the relationship between God and his followers.

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[–] jack_x 4 points 3 days ago

Christianity is a cult no matter it's variation.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Copium. Your religion is violence and bigotry. Always has been.

[–] BrokenGlepnir 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I'd argue a majority of modern Christians are denied by christ, and more "anti-christ"ians. He said something like "You cannot worship material possessions and me" and we are shown what that looks like when he tells a guy who owns a house he rich and not going to heaven unless he sells it. Almost everyone who calls themselves Christian will try to make excuses for that, or rewrite it. "That eye of a needle was a gate", "homelessness was more common back then". Excuses and lies. If a Christian is a follower of Jesus, as long as there is a single homeless man who wants a home and you own one, he denied your following, you do not follow him by his word. I'm betting this describes most of the "that's not real Christianity " people though. Because it's so hard.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

So their argument is "no true Scotsman"... It's used in this context so much that there should be a variant specifically for Christians.

[–] captainlezbian 1 points 3 days ago

That's the attitude Francis of assisi took, and look where it got him. Sanctification, no god fearing Christian wants to get that close to Jesus

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If you read it, Jesus doesn’t sound bad. I’d posit he’s probably the worlds first hippie. Acts is decent reading. The main issue is much of the book is filled with old law, several books in fact, that are there as governing rules for a society, not as a philosophy.

Religion can even work as such within small communities. 334million is not a small community, and people cherry pick what they like. Handmaids Tale cherry picked what was needed to fix a fertility crisis. Other communities cherry pick what they like for other means of making women subservient in a trad wife role. Others still go straight Jesus and are unrestricted, which, necessarily, ignores the entire Old Testament.

If the entirety was chosen, life would be very tedious and locked in contradiction.

Just the part about not being able to use furniture sat on by a woman actively experiencing her period, having to wait a week, or was it two?, for the furniture not to be unclean any more would break some people. It fascinates me that the biggest religious sticklers just ignore that one.

Oh. And no bacon. Or Christmas ham. A rule often ignored for obvious reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

If they had listened to Jesus they would still be Jewish.

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[–] InternetCitizen2 24 points 5 days ago

At one point I would have agreed. Still, they are Christian. This is how Christianity is now practiced in America. The mostChristian thing I've done in a while is leave the church.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm so sick of this bronze-aged bullshit. I've said this before but it feels like half the country are gleefully speeding down the highway with blindfolds on and the rest of us are having navigate the chaos.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Great analogy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

good on you for sticking to your values. sorry this platform is a r/atheism circle jerk even when you speak out against violence and hate from your own personal framework. don’t let them radicalize you; keep standing up for justice and dignity.

[–] blazeknave 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They're not Christians. They don't follow the beliefs accredited to Jesus. But it sounds like you do. Don't let them tarnish your name and your beliefs. Good people are inadvertently lumping you together and you sound like a decent person. As a Jew, I teach my kid "he was a Jew like us, a great person if he was real, who cared about other people, worked an honest day's work with his hands, was humble, upstanded against tyranny and capitalists, and someone who shares our family's values, dirty hippie hard working Jewish 99%er with an open heart. We just don't believe he was the Messiah and we're still waiting"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

As a Jew, I teach my kid “he was a Jew like us,

Gotta get that Us vs. Them thinking ingrained in them early.

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[–] Sam_Bass 2 points 3 days ago

Sumpn's gon be gutted but it ain't gon be the grail

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