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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't they say at one point that windows 10 would be the last windows version as they are switching to a rolling release model?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That was just the tech weenies with their 'architecturally sound strategy' or whatever, before the business side ~~beat~~ talked some sense into them.

[–] Blue_Morpho 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which MS didn't deny until they announced they were working on Win 11.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well, they actually always had an End-of-Life date slated for 2025. But yeah, it wasn't clear, if that was there just in case, or if they never expected to go through with what they'd been telling people.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

No they did not. An Engineer said it was the last Windows in the context of "the latest Version". The press just ran with the wrong headline.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even tho my pc can run windoes 11, still running linux on it.

[–] peetabix 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Me too. Bought a HP laptop made sure it was AMD. It came with win11, wiped it and installed Linux as soon as I got home.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

My PC has an NVIDIA card, will that be a problem?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I also have a NVIDIA card, and I use Linux with Wayland. It's usable for sure! But people are honestly downplaying the issues a lot.

I've had a lot of bugs and issues that are pretty annoying, such as apps flickering, performance sometimes (rarely) falling off a cliff for seemingly no reason, the card underclocking itself sometimes when waking from sleep (which kills performance until you reboot), and worst of all, random kernel panics that force me to hit the reset button, losing any unsaved work and risking a filesystem corruption (because there's no safe way to shutdown since everything is completely and utterly locked up).

I've reported these bugs, and most of them have actually been fixed in the latest driver versions! But the kernel panics still happen once in a while, and that's not great.

So be warned! But don't be scared off. All of these issues are infrequent. Most of the time, it works without issue, and games actually run really great!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If its an issue, run X11 for the next few years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

X11 environments freeze when I try to boot them unless I disable my second monitor for some reason. And it has terrible vsync flickering issues all the time, even when just scrolling through web pages and such. Also it doesn't have multi-monitor DPI, which I need.

But other than that, yeah, it's genuinely a lot more stable!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nah, I have never major found problems with nvidia (A gtx 1650 gpu) on linux especially wayland.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its not a big problem like it is made out to be. There are some distros that don't ship nVidia drivers (and so you have to find the repo in your distro that does come contain it. I.e. Debian has an repo for it that isn't readily advertised) so some people have had a hard time. Some distros are just a checkbox this add nVidia. Some like SUSE/OpenSUSE have a repo that nVidia specifically hosts and maintains. So results vary, but I can say I have not had issues with nVidia

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ty for clarifying. The one I'm interested in RN is Mint. From what I've heard and the information you've provided I suspect it won't be an issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Mint is a solid choice for being a dependable install.

Hardware sometimes makes install / use different amongst everyone.

I.e. I had an old Dell Server Tower from 2007, it would not stay shutdown, so had to add a kernel quirk parameter value to boot options tell the components not to rewake the motherboard on shutdown

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can always test a distro by putting it on a USB and booting into the live environment. This means you can check if everything works hardware wise without having to commit to installing Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

It can be A Problem, but AS far AS i heard it usually isnt that much of a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I got an older Dell with Win10 on it to put Linux on. A good suggestion I followed was to find the Windows license key on the system before loading Linux. I then installed VirtualBox and installed Win10 with my key into VirtualBox. I only gave it 20G of space initially, which turned out to be too little for windows to install updates, so I reinstalled it in 30G.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sometimes the best thing to do to a Window is leave it closed, forever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can't. I use AutoCAD in my side hustle...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Me too, except Rhino/Grasshopper. Thus, I dual-boot.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

TLDR; go to Linux

[–] anonymous111 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

[Serious question] Did Microsoft need to fundamentally change something, and that is why they back tracked on their Win10 evergreen promise? Or is this just a cash grab?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm sure that it's just the marketing dept changing hands over time. Marketing teams are like a Scott's Tots situation: they are just trying to say whatever makes the product numbers look good in the near term. Fulfilling on any promises is a future marketing team's job.

"Of all the empty promises I have made, this one is by far the most generous"

- Michael Scott/Microsoft's marketing team

[–] bhamlin 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Microsoft has done this with every windows they've made. After the support period is over, you can pay for additional for a few years to help you transition. This one is so loud because windows 11 was such a privacy bait and switch.

Windows 11 is basically Windows 10, internally it hasn't changed names. They have to have an external trade name for it or people won't realize they're "behind."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

...can i reposition my taskbar?..no?..then it's not the f*cking same...

[–] bhamlin 3 points 2 weeks ago

I wish that the only problem I had with windows 11 was that I couldn't reposition the taskbar.

[–] Psythik 3 points 2 weeks ago

They started requiring the use of motherboards with a TPM. Which is compete and utter bullshit because you need to disable the chip to dual-boot, yet Windows 11 will run for several months at a time with the chip disabled before it complains and forces you to temporarily turn it back on again. So requiring it for "security" is just an excuse to force you to buy new hardware.

[–] mvirts 8 points 2 weeks ago

Or you can send your windows 11 incompatible PCs to me, I'll take good care of them 😁

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I did that before Win 10 even came out.

[–] tibi 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While I'm absolutely for reusing old hardware and am doing it myself, keep in mind that the security landscape has changed. Old hardware might have security vulnerabilities which could be exploited by malware. Running an up to date OS is not enough to keep you secured.

[–] kalpol 5 points 2 weeks ago

Any examples of computers with this problem? I can't think of any. Old BIOS versions maybe but I don't know of any examples that don't require physical access to the device.