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LGBTQ Americans and the 2024 election: "I don't feel welcome here." (www.cbsnews.com)

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LGBTQ Americans are deeply concerned about Donald Trump’s second term, citing his anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, policies, and ties to conservative groups like the Heritage Foundation.

His past actions and campaign ads targeting trans individuals have raised fears of eroding healthcare access, legal protections, and rights, especially for transgender people.

Trump’s alignment with the Project 2025 agenda, which promotes rolling back LGBTQ rights, heightens anxiety, despite his appointment of an openly gay treasury secretary.

Advocates warn of significant societal and legal repercussions.

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[–] tootoughtoremember 107 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

After hearing Democrats talk about how they were "too woke" on transgender issues, I don't blame anyone for feeling unwelcome.

My problem with that is, the only time I heard Harris say trans was when she was talking about prosecuting transnational gangs. Democrats didn't lose for being too woke, they lost cause they don't know how to talk about the economy to blue collar workers.

But with this Congress, this President, and this Supreme Court, including any additional conservatives judges Trump adds, no one in the crosshairs of Project 2025 should feel comfortable right now.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

After hearing Democrats talk about how they were “too woke” on transgender issues,

This is the main thing that scares me....

I'm actually worried it's a bout to be open season in both Blue and Red states alike for LGB and especially T.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Talking about the economy? Yeah I don't think the majority of Trump supporters care. That's way too abstract for them.

[–] MutilationWave 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And one of the many problems with Harris is she kept reaching right and changed approximately zero minds. She could have said "the economy" is the bank accounts of the rich and we all know it, it's time to change that. But yeah very unlikely to hear that from a politician whose name isn't Bernie Sanders.

The problem is to the voters "the economy" is the price of gas or eggs or whatever. In fact it was the self-reported number one issue in the election. So politicians just keep talking past the voters because they mean completely different things by "the economy".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah Biden and Harris' (along with the right though they won't admit it) version of "the economy is good" only applies to you if you're earning your income via capital gains and not earning your income from wages.

Of course there's an argument to be made that healthy companies mean healthy jobs, but these companies have tainted and perverted this so bad that average workers don't really benefit from it at all.

[–] tootoughtoremember 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

According to AP VoteCast (who surveyed 110k voters), the top issue for voters was the economy, with 6 of 10 considering the economy to be not so good or poor, two-thirds were very concerned about the cost of food and groceries, 7 of 10 thinking the country is on the wrong track, and 8 of 10 looking for substantial change to how the country is run.

This is why the Democrat messaging about the inflation rate coming under control (true) or stronger post-pandemic recovery than most other comparable nations (also true) fell flat for most voters. If someone's real wages didn't match the price increases to food, rent, and everything else over the last four years, then how good the GDP is doesn't really matter to them.

Campaigning on "things will largely be the same", or saying you wouldn't have done anything differently over the last four years, is always going to be a real uphill battle against an overwhelming desire for significant change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Even with perfect messaging on the economy I don't think it would do much. Hell Trump fucked the economy the first go around, Biden mostly fixed it.

IMO we need to tap into fear and lean on social media or non MSM sources. It's sad we can't appeal to better angels and a bright star, but we are passed that now.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy 9 points 4 days ago

But Biden didn't completely fix it, so let's try the salt again. -Slugs

[–] FlyingSquid 64 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Never mind not welcome, you're not safe here. Find a way to get out. Any way you can. Apply for any job anywhere you can think of that will offer you a work visa. I am really sorry for any who can't get out, but if you are queer, do whatever you can to try.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

You think trans people were safe before the election?

I'm not going anywhere this is my home. And if all of us trans adults bounce out of here, the trans kids coming up will have no representation in their communities.

Fear is the point. My sister's that started the Stonewall riot, wouldn't have been running from this shit.

If the fascists want to get rid of me, they can build a gas chamber.

[–] FlyingSquid 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think there's a reason a lot of my family tree stopped branching between 1939 and 1945. You do you. I am getting my queer daughter the fuck out before it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I don't blame you on that one, that's your kid. I'm an adult with my own kid, who I'm tied to and to his mom. I have encouraged him to get the fuck out once he's an adult and able to make decisions without his mom's input.

We had a good short run of relative safety and visibility. But trans folks have lived here this whole time, and been the victims of violence this whole time. The victim of marginalization, even within the LGBTQ community, this whole time.

Arm ourselves sure. But to quote Wanda Sykes, I'm not going anywhere, this is my home.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I am not a big fan of guns, but I wouldn't blame you or any other queer person planning to stay for arming yourselves. I think in this case it's probably the smart move. Good luck, I genuinely mean that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I know you do squid, and good luck to you and to your daughter.

I'm getting emotional thinking about the struggles you two may face in the future.

[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 4 days ago

Thank you. I am emotional about the struggles so many people will face. She's one of the lucky ones if anything. Of course she'll still face a lot of struggles, but she's going to a country outlawing conversion therapy because her grandfather happened to be born there and her father happened to be born before a certain cutoff year. It's her friends, especially her best friend, a trans boy who already gets a ton of shit just being trans in America and in Indiana and having only semi-supportive parents who will let him wear an uncomfortable chest binder but won't put him on hormones. What's going to happen to him? She has a girlfriend too. They're also going to try to get out, to Canada, but I don't think they have the money to make it. Even I don't think we're going to make it unless I get a job first. I spend hours every day sending out resumes. Not just job websites, but literally looking up every single company in the UK I can find and think of that might use a video or audio professional/content creator, seeing if they have a "send us your CV" link and emailing it there just in the hopes that one of them will hire me. I figure I have about a month and a half to find a job before we really start getting desperate.

Anyway, I hope we all make it through this. It's going to be hard no matter what.

[–] marciealana 10 points 4 days ago

I will not be leaving California for a bit. That may not be sufficient to avoid all the crap, but it will help.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would guess you're still going to be relatively safe in an urban area like NYC, but if you're in, say, rural Oklahoma, it's time to pack your bags.

[–] MutilationWave 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's good advice, but moving is out of the financial reach of most people. Especially moving to a safer place, which will have much higher cost of living attached.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

I'm definitely feeling this.... My partner and I hate firearms but are looking into getting armed now

[–] MutilationWave 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Do it. Do it before January 20. My wife just bought her first gun and I'm getting a rifle.

And what the fuck is up with the gay Treasury Secretary. This post was the first I heard of it. What a traitor. I mean I guess they're all traitors of some sort but damn.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Please get ammo and go to the range. I work at a gun store, trust me, your hypothetical, alleged, enemy, has been armed, and has many hundreds/thousands of rounds downrange. Get proficient.

Edit: also if that rifle happens to be an AR-15, I work more specifically at a custom AR shop, so please hit me with any possible questions either now, or the future!

[–] MutilationWave 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's very kind but I'm going to get a Zastava M70 N-PAP AK.

I already own a 9mm and a 12 gauge short barrel pistol grip pump.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Make sure you take training, for safety, usage, and firearm law. People who merely own guns are likely to have negative outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

We're planning on taking safety courses, and my dad is a gun nut who will happily take us to a range

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What a messed up country where you have to arm yourself to feel free. Ridiculous.

[–] YarHarSuperstar 0 points 1 day ago

Trust me it's not too feel free. The illusion of freedom has long since vanished.

[–] agent_nycto 10 points 3 days ago

Next up from no shit news, water STILL wet?!? Check in tonight at 9, the answer may surprise you!

[–] CharlesDarwin 17 points 3 days ago

That's kinda the point. I don't see anyone rushing to be the Czar Of Extremely Low Egg Prices, but I do see them making a performative rule against one particular person in Congress about where they can relieve themselves...

With the qons, cruelty is the point. It's not about making anyone's lives better, even their own base.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It honestly feels like even the Left in this country is thirsting for Trans blood. And that scares me as a trans woman.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Don't confuse the left with the neoliberal-run Democratic party because they're keen on abandoning more and more of us on the left day by day.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago

My passport showed up today. I need to get started on reclaiming EU citizenship now. Maybe I just commit and use this as a chance to start over somewhere better and safe enough to actually build a life.

But having already done that once, I'm not keen to restart my life thousands of miles away from everything I've ever known.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You aren't.

I'm fine with you being here, it makes conservatives mad, so it's a win-win for me, but I don't run the place, so... not really my call.

[–] nifty 25 points 4 days ago (23 children)

Fuck politics, one should just strive for justice and fairness in all situations. Remember that laws may not be applied justly or fairly, but laws change. Principles and ideals shouldn’t change. People who care should become lawyers, politicians, police, entrepreneurs and more. A lot of the anti-lgbt trash comes from religious fervor, all religions are trash.