trade war with mexico where 70% of US vegetables and 50% of US fruit will not help either. Nor will talking down to California, where most of the rest is from. I hope you red staters like corn and pork for every meal.
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Something tells me with trump in charge, they'll leave on purpose.. There will also be a lot of Americans in the next 4 years migrating to other countries too
Mexico and Canada will have to build a wall to keep Americans out
And imprisoning people in slave labor camps that happen to be next to farms is not "deporting".
A fifth seems really low.
Sometimes libs don't realize their mask slipped. "They do the jobs we won't" is bougie shit. People will do anything that pays well enough, isn't abusive or unnecessarily dangerous, and doesn't involve being housed in a bunk on-site.
These migrant workers are being abused by capitalists, and arguably we aren't even seeing the savings anyway, for what that would be worth.
Great point. People would take farming jobs if the pay was decent and all of those abusive "festures" you mentioned are missing.
Should change the phrase to "They do the jobs we would never do for such little pay and benefits."
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When i see this kind of posts, i tend to ask myself : does being on the left wing mean you're ok with illegal immigrate workforce being exploited in your fields and farms ? Just so you have cheap products AND go easy on your consciences ?
Most people on the left are in favor of giving the immigrants we all rely on official status, giving them the same legal protections as other workers. That can be through making the legal immigration process easier or a guest worker program.
Immigrants are good. Exploiting them is bad.
That sounds like all the more reason to be for legal immigration and against illegal immigration.
All the more reason to be for legalizing immigration and against illegalizing immigration.
Focusing on the immigrants rather than the system puts the blame in the wrong place, and obfuscates solutions to the problem.
The GOP won't pass legislation for more legal immigration. Our economy relies on immigrants, so it means that we are reliant on illegal immigration to function.
What I don't understand is why Republicans are against having a permanent legally exploitable underclass which is what we currently have.
“They’re taking away our jobs!” ? Although I think it’s about power - if you’re not reliant on other countries, then you don’t have to take other things into consideration. You can be selfish and do selfish things.
But having illegal immigrants do hard work for basically nothing is the selfish thing.
You seem pretty confident that’s the end goal of the politicians.
only when it allows you to do cheap gotchas on the right /s
The US built itself up on immigration since the beginning, and most impactfully over the past hundred years with "brain draining" the rest of the world. "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and all that. I don't think it's a stretch to say most of the US's success comes on the back of these immigrants with 40% of Fortune 500 companies being founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.
But the economy has changed since that poem was inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. The US has become primarily a service industry demanding skilled laborers, relegating manual laborers to the lower class along with the illegal, and often unskilled, immigrants.
So you're a blue collar American living in Appalachia, vying for the same factory job that your dad and his dad held and were able to afford a middle-class lifestyle. Except now groceries are getting hard to afford, fueling your truck hurts, and your new neighbor is a programmer who wanted a country home to relax in and work remote and finds your accent charming. You know you're now at the bottom of the ladder, and you think the illegals willing to do your work at half the price are the cause. So deport all the imigrintz! Bring back white America! Make America Great Again! /s
I don't have all the answers, but I think we should continue to restrict unskilled immigration and continue making it risky for companies to hire illegal immigrants, while offering a path to legality for those having been here for 5+ years. Raise the minimum wage, effectively securing a better lifestyle for those at the bottom (immigrant and native). Make some better/strategic investments in Central American countries so that people there have a better lifestyle and it isn't worth it for unskilled labor to immigrate. Hell, build some manufacturing capacity so we're less reliant on China.
Everyone prospers, America continues brain-draining, and the world keeps turning.
Not risky. Suicidal. They find you have "illegal" immigrants working for you? You get a fine so big you have to close your business from prison.
The other option: legalize all those immigrants and they become the owners of the business.
Well we certainly can't be for open boarders. pauses for the gasps and pearl clutching
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They won't deport them. Being illegally working in the US will be punishable by 5 years forced labour in food farming.
After seeing how horrific factory farming is, I'm genuinely wondering if I'd be psychologically better off with 5 years of prison. Or 5 years of war
I'm not even vegan, but what the fuck does that say about society? That the job that feeds you might require you to experience something so horrific, you'd prefer prison, maybe even war? ...
Exactly, they want the labour even cheaper and without right. They want people who can't complain. They don't want to pay social taxes.
And like you said, cherry on the cake if they get free labour. Mmmmm those profit margins!
But we'll still raise the price because nobody wanna work
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Funny enough, it'll make food more expensive, because now there's more leverage for the worker. But, ofc, RFK wants to make field work forced labour camps for the disabled, which will most probably coat the same as prison labour - which means that ordinary labourers will be even more devalued.
Get with your friends and neighbors and start hatching a plan to grow some of your own food starting next year. At worst you have fun and eat well.
Stop, stop, stop. We're going to find this stuff out. We're going to learn. It will be painful. It's certainly going to be painful to watch. I just don't want to spend another second begging the 5 year old not to touch the burner anymore.
See, you're mistaken. You are asking irrational people to use logic.
Orange man great biznus man he will make Mexico pay tariffs and food will become cheaper. Also it will deport criminals (?) So I feel safe again.
And if it all fails exactly how I was warned, it is someone else's fault, and I'm not stupid... Everything's simply a conspiracy against me!
Tariffs on Canadian oil won't lower gas prices either.
This needs more upvotes.
Enjoy your higher gas prices when he tariffs Canada.
That's because they will not deport all of them. They will deport a few 100.000 with a lot of noise.. and then not so much. Giving the farmers an even bigger boogie man to hold over these workers.. effectively creating a new slave class in the US.
I haven’t researched this myself, so someone quash or confirm this. He’s said hes going to hit urban centers in blue states “first” (maybe only). As such, this will largely leave his buddy Greg Abbott in Texas untouched, among other places.
It’ll be tactical and put on a show for headlines. People will suffer. Labor may be held indefinitely in prisons. But it won’t affect his friends.
You’re thinking by too small. They will deport a few 100,00 with a lot of noise … and then not so much as they carve out a maze of exceptions to benefit their cronies at the expense of literally everyone else
Yeah.. cause small government
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