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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s so bizarre to see this discussion play out on the basis of “health”

Because there is a legitimate discussion to be had about the economics of how milk pasteurization requirements have affected local dairy farms. How the unsanitary conditions of industrial scale milk production have made it a necessity. How marketing and corporate interests have shifted consumption patterns.

And yet these fucking dipshits have turned this in to “pasteurized milk personally harms you!” In grifter circles.

How screwed are we that we can’t talk about the complexities of how corporate farming practices have effected our food supplies with out couching it in terms of “health food”.

I cannot express how much I hate the term “health food”. There is no such fucking thing as a “health food”.

It makes me want to rip my hair out when these topics come up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This problem has always bugged me writ large as well. It seems nearly impossible to have any conversation that looks at the bigger picture of things in a complete and nuanced way.

Take for example employment rates. It’s just taken as a given that high employment is the goal. But stop and think about that for a second. In any other part of your life is your goal to completely saturate all time with labor? No, obviously not.

But the goals are set and we must achieve them. More money next quarter than last quarter, it doesn’t matter if every conceivable customer already has a subscription, we must grow. Make the product cheaper to make, charge more, do anything but consider that we might have picked stupid goals.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I've seen some shit claiming pasteurization is harmful and I just have to ask if the people who believe that know what pasteurization even is, because how the hell does boiling it make it harmful? Shit... If boiling milk makes it toxic, you better stay away from cheese. And a lot of baked goods. Creamy soups. Pasta dishes. Etc.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

Not even fully boiling. To quote Wikipedia, because I'm lazy:

The liquid moves in a controlled, continuous flow while subjected to temperatures of 71.5 °C (160 °F) to 74 °C (165 °F), for about 15 to 30 seconds, followed by rapid cooling to between 4 °C (39.2 °F) and 5.5 °C (42 °F).

Literally 30 seconds of "pretty hot". And people are risking serious illness, even death, over some mythical beliefs about how nutrition works.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

This is the whole “gluten is poison” (for people not actually intolerant to gluten) all over again. Those people also had no idea that it was just wheat protein.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Louis Pasteur is rolling in his grave...

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He is boiling in his grave. Probably milk.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Damn.
I didn't have "Raw Milk encouraged by the US govt. causes second pandemic in 5 years" on my bingo card for 2025.

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[–] iAvicenna 61 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Crazy how if it was any democrat saying drink raw milk s/he would likely be accused of a conspiracy in which he is trying to spread bird flu so they can have another pandemic and vaccine manufacturers make money out of it. But when a republican says it, s/he is probably celebrated for using the wisdom of our grand grand parents.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

For the other non scientists here is a good article explaining what "raw milk" is. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/article/dangers-raw-milk-arise-bacteria

TLDR: they boil milk to nuke bacteria, "raw milk" is what they call milk that hasn't had that happen and is dangerous, especially considering recent events.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 days ago (86 children)

Am i seeing this right, that you can buy raw milk in grocery stores? What the fuck?

Raw milk gets bad way to fast in order to sell it in a grocery store.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (13 children)

There is a way. Just mix it with equal parts hard liquor.

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[–] SkunkWorkz 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Is this why Mister Brain Worms wants to sell raw milk? So bird flu spreads since worms hate birds

[–] beebarfbadger 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Maybe ingest it and then use UV light or inject bleach. I hear Ivermectin helps against everything.

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[–] baropithecus 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm told that if you mix in some bleach, it'll "do a tremendous number" on the pathogens.

[–] dohpaz42 177 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I bet the solution is so fast, it’s past your eyes before you know it.

Edit: for anybody who is hearing impaired.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Food safety is communism!

[–] [email protected] 124 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fun fact:

The dairy was fined in 2023 for a Salmonella outbreak and is very militantly anti-government.

The why seems pretty clear.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Wonder if they tried heating the milk up to 63 degrees C for 30 mins before consumption?

Maybe that would help.

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[–] frank 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And I'm and American in Colombia where they pasteurize the milk to the point where it is stored at room temperature.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

UHT milk tastes disgusting though. Not sure if it's the additives here in the UK.

Pasteurization is a wonderful thing however.

[–] spicytuna62 130 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Some relatively unknown French microbiologist is rolling in his grave right now.

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm cool with idiots who don't know any better getting what's coming to them... but I'm not really cool with them sneezing on the same door handles I turn.

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