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Now that we have final numbers. It appears that Harris had all the white & black support she needed for an EC victory. But Trump outright flipping Latino men and making huge gains with Latino women seems to have made all the difference.

What do you think?

First image is 2024, second is 2020.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Your narrative is that Latinos "shifted right" but I think this is a false framing- it was the Biden/Harris administration that shifted hard right on its proposed immigration policies and it left many Latino voters feeling politically abandoned.

Look at the Democrats' 2024 immigration bill- it is deportations, immigration quotas, and building the wall - while including nothing "left of center" such as amnesty. It is literally a Trump 2016 wishlist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

So the solution to not liking the democrat shift right is to join in with the side off the scale right? I'm not following the logic there...

[–] Fondots 6 points 5 days ago

A lot of Latinos are fairly conservative people, a lot of them are strongly Catholic with all of the baggage that comes with it, etc.

Basically the only major policy reason they ever leaned towards the democrats is immigration, so with the Dems going further right on immigration it makes a lot of sense for some of them to be jumping ship

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[–] pyre 7 points 5 days ago

wow, you answer one question about abortion by saying immigrants are rapists and suddenly people feel abandoned. tsk tsk.

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[–] edgemaster72 17 points 5 days ago

To actually answer the post title you'd have to go state by state in the swing states to see if she could flip enough of them to make a difference. I suspect the bigger problem is still lack of turnout rather than any specific demographic.

[–] naught101 1 points 3 days ago

I don't think you can answer that question from those numbers. They are percentages. The difference they make depends a lot on the total population in each group.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

A functional, coherent working class policy would've ticked some of those numbers in the campaign's favor across the board without even having to divide by race or gender.

[–] Rhynoplaz 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Only 4% of Latino men shifted. That chart says Latino men were 5% of the total vote. Harris needed more than another .02%

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I think you’re getting confused by the column placement. This appears to be a 19 point shift towards Trump which seems substantial.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If that lasr column is population, latino men are 1/7 compared to white men. So the larger difference is much smaller than it appears. And how did there get to be so many more latino women than men.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

I prefer to blame stupid racist people instead of ethnic groups.

[–] GeorgimusPrime 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Someone pointed out that a lot of Latinos are effectively white, like Cruz and Rubio.

[–] No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Miami Cubans are absolutely convinced they're white and not immigrants. Source : 20+ years in Miami

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[–] BadmanDan 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It is also crazy that I lived long enough to see more Latino men vote Republican than white women 😂

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Kamala lost because the policies of the Democrats suck for working class people. And the Democrats are in general corrupt as fuck. It's as simple as that. Just as in Russia, if the system is super corrupt, better make it explicit by making corruption THE system. USA has been an oligarchy for quite some time. Trump 2.0 just made it explicit.

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