Falling on deaf ears at this point. The ~~controlled opposition party~~ Democratic Party has already handed the keys to the kingdom to ensure a smooth transition of ^unchecked^ power.
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People forget that Biden wrote the PATRIOT Act. Which opened the door to unprecedented spying on US citizens.
"It's a big club, and we ain't in it."
If trump and the project 2025 architects are as dangerous as they say and I believe they are, they have been extremely limp-dicked and complacent from Biden saying he was gonna "give it his best" to his shit-eating grin "welcome to the white house" to trump.
Something is off here...
The majority of the American people voted for project 2025 to run the US... What do you want him to do? It's the will of the (very stupid and bigoted) people
Yeah, but he didn't have to be cheery about it like it's nothing and they were bullshitting about him being a fascist all the time.
PS: ok, it seems to be a nonchalant "tis but a scratch" reaction to incoming doom.
Hmm, careful. It was not a majority of American people. Trump didn't win over 50% of the popular vote, and this doesn't consider the people who did not vote.
this doesn't consider the people who did not vote.
If you chose not to vote or vote for 3rd party, you supported Trump.
The dems checked out of this fight.
She's in Hawaii, and the dems who lost are not showing up for judicial appointments, and they are barely squeaking by.
They talk a big talk but are absolutely limped dicked when it comes to actual fighting.
Where did you see they aren't showing up for judicial appointments? I haven't seen that anywhere. Quite frankly I've seen two articles saying the opposite
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/20/politics/judges-trump-biden-missing-senators/index.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4998960-senate-republicans-frustrated-judicial-nominees-vance/
It's why Trump is calling for his followers to slow the process
I'd be interested to see what the 600 "bullet ballots" in Maricopa County are all about. As a hotbed of election denialism and a swing state it'd be interesting to see if there really were that many people who were only interested in voting for president and nothing else.
Talk to people. This is actually fairly common. Many people don't follow politics closely enough to make informed decisions about ballot questions, and plenty of others simply don't care. Lots of people couldn't name the mayor of their town, their US Representative, or even their Senators. Plenty of people will go there to vote for one thing and ignore the rest because they either don't know or simply can't be bothered.
If I recall reading correctly, I think the average for this is about 1-2% of voters per state. I know there's some controversy because that number is higher in battleground states, but these are Trump voters we're talking about here, and I could easily see them turn out in droves for their god-king and ignore the rest of the ballot, because the only thing they cared about was getting Trump back into office. No reason for a Trump voter to do that in California, because it isn't going to matter. Pennsylvania is a completely different story, which is probably why we're seeing it happen so much in battleground states.
It's wildly worse than you think. The number of bullet ballots in swing states is around 5-12% of the total vote counts. It's a statistical anomaly that ONLY exists in the swing states. Other things to consider:
- There were bomb threats in only swing states.
- There were a number of counting stations that are reporting issues with their tabulation software, again, significantly happening in swing states.
- Polls performed prior to election accurately predicted of pretty much every downballot race, but for some reason are wildly inaccurate for predictong the President in only swing states?
There's odd, and then there's statistical improbability. We're boarding on fucking bizarre, and it's shocking that people aren't making a bigger deal than this.
Really agree with your final statement. I've been saying since the day after the election that it's fucking weird how quickly it was accepted that he won after they tried to steal it last time and for the last couple years have been openly bragging that they had better plans this time and Trump repeatedly telling his voters that they don't need to bother, he has the votes already, they don't have to bother voting.
I'm not saying it was stolen. I have no evidence it was (none that it wasn't either), but the fact that everyone just accepted it, immediately, without even trying to look into the possibility is incredibly disappointing.
I like how Jon Stewart put it this week:
"Republicans rely on loopholes, while Democrats rely on norms."
His whole thing this week was begging the Democrats to fight, to start getting dirty, throwing punches, to basically just not roll over.
But he kept reiterating the Dems need to get over the norms, they need to stop relying on the norms. He cited the hypocrisy of not approving Garland, but rushing through Amy Coney Barrett, and showed how the Dems brought McConnell's own words to the floor of the Senate.
"And thus, Amy Coney Barrett, head hung, was forced to return to her homestead in-- Wait, what's that? They didn't give a fuck?!"
Or the Parliamentarian not allowing something Biden proposed to move forward, and Biden just rolled over. "Oh, uh, we didn't know about that rule."
I'm incredibly disappointed too, they're supposed to fight for us, regardless of circumstances, and we get... The response we get. I completely agree the GOP and Trump were telling us they were going to steal it, and had precedent that clearly tried to last time, and the Dems just... Accepted it. The GOP launched dozens of lawsuits and recounts over handfuls of ballots, but the Dems have just moved on despite these statistical anomalies.
Not a great way to maintain your already waning support among your voting base: telling them they need to fight and support them in their fight, and then they just stop fighting.
It’s wildly worse than you think. The number of bullet ballots in swing states is around 5-12% of the total vote counts. It’s a statistical anomaly that ONLY exists in the swing states. Other things to consider:
There were bomb threats in only swing states.
This we knew was going to happen long ago, but I do not recall any reports of those threats impacting operations or vote counts.
There were a number of counting stations that are reporting issues with their tabulation software, again, significantly happening in swing states.
This is where we get into dangerous territory. You cannot claim there were issues with tabulation software or any of the other technical issues I've heard bandied about, to the point where every state went significantly redder, while still saying that our elections are free, fair, safe, and secure. Because it allows Trump and MAGA to beg the question: If it happened in 2024, who's to say it didn't happen in 2020? Who's to say it won't happen again in 2028? Go down this path, and good luck being able to convince anybody that our elections are or were close to legitimate ever again.
Polls performed prior to election accurately predicted of pretty much every downballot race, but for some reason are wildly inaccurate for predictong the President in only swing states?
Polls haven't gotten Trump right in 10 years. If you're still looking at polls when discussing Trump, that's the first thing you're doing wrong.
There’s odd, and then there’s statistical improbability. We’re boarding on fucking bizarre, and it’s shocking that people aren’t making a bigger deal than this.
Sometimes, longshots pay off.
It's pretty simple. Take a look at what the vote tabulation total says, then take a look at how many people showed up to the polls. The numbers should be equal, down to the ballot. And remember, all 50 states went redder. If there was a problem, surely someone in a blue state would have. You can't be that far off without it showing up somewhere, and if nobody noticed that preliminary counts were off, that again points to a systematic failure of our election system across the country.
Nobody noticed the internet traffic of whatever supposed hackers manipulating the system in real time? Not a single district noticed counts that didn't match poll attendance? That's the thing. Even if you are 100% absolutely correct, that means that either our systems are so bug-ridden that it could be off by millions of votes, or so insecure that they can be infiltrated and manipulated by hackers without a trace. There are numerous fail-safes to ensure integrity up and down the process, and if the counts are off by that much, that means multiple protections across all 50 states failed, meaning that the election integrity we've been professing we have for the past four years doesn't exist.
I honestly think Elon Musk hacked the voting machines with STarlink
None of the security experts are thinking that though. Nor does any of the aggregated data support such a hypothesis at the moment. Is it possible? Sure, but I would be hesitant to believe anything without substantial evidence.