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Checkmate, Chuck. πŸ‘‘

Edit: Given the number of downvotes I'm getting, I'm guessing a lot of people have just learned that they've been pronouncing St. John wrong. Don't beat yourselves up. It's not like it's a terribly common name.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 month ago (5 children)

We don't as far as I know. St John is usually pronounced Saint John. Though English is weird and you might have come across a local pronunciation. Do you know where abouts in the UK that one comes from?

[–] Preacher 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Roger Moore pronounced his alias St John Smythe as "Sinjun Smythe" in "A View To A Kill"

[–] sanguinepar 3 points 1 month ago

The definitive answer :-)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Perhaps not precisely "sinjin". Wikipedia gives the IPA as /ˈsΙͺndΚ’Ιͺn/ or /-Κ’Ι™n/ where the Κ’ is the g in beige or the s in pleasure so it's a bit more of a zh sound than a j sound: "sinzhin"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_John_(name) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Though the English ~~is~~ are weird

Local names in Britain do my head in

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Oh no not in Utica

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

It's an upper crust thing. A bit old-fashioned as well.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not a single person in my insane number of years has ever said sinjin

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Ive never heard of Sinjin.

[–] breadsmasher 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am english, in the UK. I have never heard someone say sinjin instead of saint john. The only thing I can imagine is a local accent? But id think its more like sint jin (sint jawn?)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's not how I've heard it pronounced. Not in the north at least. The T is mute. It's "sinjin" (rhymes with Ken).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yup, Sinjin is definitely a thing.

Source: I know a St. John and he told me the right way to pronounce his name is indeed "Sinjin"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

β€œ It can be pronounced…” is not the same as, β€œIs often pronounced”

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Who has a first name of St John?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In Vancouver, Canada, we have a journalist named St. John Alexander who pronounces his first name as "Sinjin." I heard him say it on TV and it sounded weird. His profile even mentions it.

He's often asked about his name. St. John is originally British and is pronounced "Sinjin." His parents discovered it in Charlotte Bronte's novel Jane Eyre.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pronounced Janer, I assume.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

From Wikipedia St John Pettifor Catchpool (1890–1971), English Quaker relief worker St. John Ellis (1964–2005), British Rugby League player St John Ervine (1883-1971), Irish writer St John Groser (1890-1966), Anglican priest and Christian socialist St John Hornby (1867–1946), British businessman St John Horsfall (1910-1949), British motor racing driver St John Brodrick, 1st Earl of Midleton (1856–1942), British politician St John O'Neill (1741–1790), Irish MP for Randalstown Saint-John Perse, pseudonym of Alexis Leger (1887–1975), French poet and diplomat St John Philby (1885–1960), British civil servant and explorer in Arabia

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Weird. I never would have guessed anyone was named that.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

can anyone please explain why this is getting downvoted to hell? this is the first time i hear "sinjin" but it seems to be a thing, from a quick search.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

It's my "most people rejected His message" meme moment. πŸ˜†

I guess it's just like the neverending GIF argument. There's a right and wrong answer but people are people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

I have literally never heard anyone say "sinjin" in my life.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

There is also the wedding scene of Bernard and Lydia in the 1997 movie Four weddings and a funeral. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzQFudZ70k

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I grew up in Britain no one I knew says sinjin, but Sinclair,warrik (Warwick) etc were the norm

[–] morgan_423 5 points 1 month ago

Imagine acting like everyone in England has the same accent. The only thing more ridiculous would be saying that everyone in the US does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Funnily enough, Sinclair is a common name that came from Saint Clair.

[–] revanthetrueemperor 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

My best guess would be that saintclair's prononciation was influenced by french, as in french the "t" is pronounced while st john might be more "english", leading to the "t" being silent

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Congratulations for being the only commenter who has actually tried to answer the question. That answer of course sounds perfectly reasonable. Please accept this gold star with thanks: ⭐

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In french the β€œt” isn’t pronounced.

[–] revanthetrueemperor 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not in modern french but it was in old french :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Misunderstood your reply at first sorry :/

[–] revanthetrueemperor 2 points 1 month ago

Nope you were right, i forgot to add the old french part, thanks for the catch :)

[–] sylver_dragon 1 points 1 month ago

It may be a case of laziness which has started creating a local dialect. This is one of the ways living languages change over time, people start sluring words and sounds together until there is almost nothing left of the original words and there is a new word in their place.

[–] BilboBargains -1 points 1 month ago