this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2024
206 points (96.4% liked)

News

23294 readers
3568 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The chief of the US Space Force has warned that China is putting military capabilities into space at a “mind-boggling” pace, significantly increasing the risk of warfare in orbit.

“The number of different categories of space weapons that [China has] created and ... the speed with which they’re doing it is very threatening,” said General Chance Saltzman, head of space operations at the US military’s recently created force tasked with protecting American interests in space.

all 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] RedditWanderer 64 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We should fund military in space, says guy funded by military in space

[–] Sarmyth 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, determining that is exactly his fucking job right? If not him, who?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You’re right, let’s allow China to militarize space unopposed. What could go wrong?

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Reminder: we were opposing such things just fine when the Space Force was just part of the regular Air Force.

[–] Plastic_Ramses 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Reminder: situations tend to change as time moves forward.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. In this case the change was because Donald Trump needed something to brag about.

[–] Plastic_Ramses 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're not entirely wrong.

However, it is 100% prudent to put military power into space as many other nations are doing the same.

Just because you dont like the words "space force" doesn't make it a bad move.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I didn't say it was a bad move to do it. I said we did it just fine when it was part of the Air Force.

We don't need a Space Force.

[–] Plastic_Ramses 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, we dont need an air force either. 🙄

[–] FlyingSquid -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Except we do because the Army Air Corps was getting too big and out-of-hand.

That was not the case with the Air Force's military space activities.

[–] Plastic_Ramses -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, i didn't know i was talking to someone who was privy to all levels of missions regarding the United States' interest in securing outer space.

Thank you for your service. 😂😂

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You seem to think you're in the know. Why was the Space Force suddenly necessary when Trump became president?

[–] Plastic_Ramses 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well, just off the top of my head, I imagine there were many, many redundant departments specializing in satelite operations and maintenance spread across the army, navy, and air force that were consolidated.

Id also imagine that obtaining a production grant is quite a bit easier as there would be only one branch fighting for these things instead of three.

There is also the matter of focus, meaning that now there is a person directly responsible for all activities in sapce, foreign and domestic, that would be briefing the president as opposed to sidenotes in a meeting.

If you just stopped to think for just the 30 seconds it took me to write this comment, you too may be able to apply some logic to the situation.

You post funny memes.

Stay in your lane.

[–] FlyingSquid 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And yet that wasn't a problem under 8 years of Obama? Why?

And what is your lane? Because it doesn't sound like this is your area of expertise either. It sounds like you just think Space Force is cool.

[–] Plastic_Ramses 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just so you are aware, because you seem to have trouble with that, the space force wasn't created overnight during trumps admin.

The ball started rolling sometime around 2010 when russia and china stated their own military presence and focus in space, which would out it squarely under obamas admin.

My lane would be relying on objective facts.

Please stop speaking on things you are extremely ignorant of.

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You didn't tell me what your lane is. I wonder why?

[–] Plastic_Ramses 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oof, on top of not understanding how the United States political apparatus works, you have a hard time reading.

Life must be verrrry difficult and frightening for you.

[–] FlyingSquid -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're right. I missed that. So you think the two lanes are "post funny memes" and "rely on objective facts" and they cannot cross.

Interesting.

That doesn't sound like you're relying on objective facts to come to that conclusion.

Especially when it wouldn't be especially rational to make someone who's lane is to "post funny memes" a mod of c/WorldNews.

Maybe they were just taking advantage of a poor intellectually disabled soul like myself?

[–] Plastic_Ramses 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hahahahhahah, bust out that mod standing.

It's all you have.

😂😂😂. God damn, thanks for the laugh. This is the funniest thing you've ever posted. Holy shit.

[–] FlyingSquid -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The above post has nothing to do with "objective facts" or the early history of Space Force. I thought that was your lane. Why have you stepped out of your lane?

[–] RangerJosie 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Amazing what can happen when you neglect your space program for a generation.

Sucks to suck.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

We’ve been spending the last generation funneling as much money to the oligarchs as possible. We’ve seen what that did/does to Russia’s capabilities and we’re somehow surprised that it works the same way here too.

[–] InverseParallax 19 points 1 week ago

Amazing what can happen when your "Only Real American" Talibangelicals manage to enforce their view that science is blasphemy in the face of their God who only talks to them in their heads.

We are being lead to destruction by the most violently proudly ignorant among us.

[–] FlyingSquid 27 points 1 week ago
[–] horse_battery_staple 24 points 1 week ago

I think the Space Force are looking for their own funding....

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Space Force trying to justify why they exist.

[–] LANIK2000 11 points 1 week ago

Lol, any orbital war would be extremely short lived due to the Kessler Syndrome. Tho the world's leadership is definitely stubborn and dumb enough to not let such a silly thing like facts stop em.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Haha, "Space Force."

[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION 5 points 1 week ago

missile gap

[–] RizzRustbolt 5 points 1 week ago

Wait. Is that for real their uniform? I thought that was a throw-away joke from the series.

[–] lightscription 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Mozi sat is such a cool idea. https://spacenews.com/china-is-developing-a-quantum-communications-satellite-network/

Quantum entropy might even defeat timewave...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is what happens when you’re more concerned with genociding innocent people and making like 10 guys obscenely wealthy rather than doing anything useful.

[–] gedaliyah 3 points 1 week ago

You literally just described China.

[–] werefreeatlast 1 points 1 week ago

This is the time when parts suppliers switch from EUV to warfare. Either that or some shitty stupid custom screw that holds a special EUV related shitty reactor thingamabob get used in F-16s. So then the EUV component holds up the manufacturing line.

Shoot your foot, then jump and shoot your other foot.

[–] donescobar 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

China spends a quarter of what the US does in military and somehow gets 5 times more accomplishments. This is either 1 a lie to get more spending or 2 gross mismanagement by the US

[–] linearchaos 16 points 1 week ago

China certainly could be lying.

Half of the US states are purposely bankrupting their education systems to make sure that the 1 percenters are the only ones with any advantage. Even in the States that aren't actively trying to stamp out education the poor and middle class can't afford a respectable education.

China is sitting on a pile of natural resources and doesn't have any problems with underpaying and working people to death.

They're set up to do a lot with very little, they have a lot of people and resources and they're not afraid to educate enough people to get the job done.

It's not just space, they're getting places with electric cars that we can't touch.

It'll be interesting to see where all this ends up.

[–] RangerJosie 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

5:1 is less than I'd have guessed on the money. We have a capitalism problem. Contractors dont charge an honest price, they charge every penny they can get away with. MIC is just a big money printing machine for a couple dozen companies.

That $45 hammer meme isn't just a meme.

[–] InverseParallax 4 points 1 week ago

We have a southern problem, they know they can bribe the good ol boys for pennies on the dollar and the pork will always flow.

Cut the spending, send it to states where people learned to read.

[–] HootinNHollerin 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tons of information theft by china too. They stole plans too so many things it saved them billions

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago

And western companies would never resort to corporate espionage would they?

[–] InverseParallax 7 points 1 week ago

NASA's headquarters are in Alabama.

2 people managed to utterly destroy NASA and everything it stood for:

  1. George Walllace: Incensed that NASA did not enforce the rigid segregation he originally prescribed

  2. Richard Shelby: Who made sure all NASA funding went straight to Alabama and only Alabama, all contractors had to work there, and all private space funding was absolutely forbidden: https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/01/so-long-richard-shelby-and-thanks-for-all-the-pork/#gsc.tab=0

If we want to have a space program again, we need to take it out of Alabama, or it's just a money faucet, the equivalent of giving inbred cavemen an electron microscope, which they then tear apart to beat each other with.

[–] Plastic_Ramses 3 points 1 week ago

What are those accomplishments?