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but other scientists are not so sure.
Is it just me who thinks we should act as if it is going to collapse soon, even if a few scientists aren't sure?
But what if it's all a hoax and we make the world a better place for no reason?
Won't someone think of the shareholders?
I am never going to recover financially from this.
TL;DR: New statistical model suggests that the AMOC (including gulf stream) could collapse to the much slower pattern by 2025 to 2095. This is a century earlier than previous predictions and the researchers were concerned. There is some questions on the accuracy of the model used, and that needs more research.
Personally I don't think we should wait for further testing to vet the model before acting. Try to do better now.
We could try to vote people who will take action OR incentivize consumers to be more proactive BUT. Neither is ever going to happen.
I was having dinner with my brother's family and we were watching an interview with some celebrity that my sister-in-law adores. Dude is heavy in green activism and lists fast food places which are bad actors for climate and also farmers rights, etc. So my SiL announces we are never eating at such and such place again (I can't remember, I never eat fast food anyway). The very next night they order takeout from said fast food place. They also always order same day deliver from Amazon despite it never actually arriving same day, but they get packages every damn day. Tons and tons of packaging for crap they always throw out or give away to neighbors eventually. This isn't unique to them.
This is MOST of America and I suspect the rest of the developed world. We are effed.
cant elect people in america who would do anything, when we're busy trying to fend off full blown fourth reichdom by electing the least awful candidate each election.
Well that’s pretty scary.. I mean, at least the scientists say that it’s more likely the current will just slow down rather than completely collapse? But then again, all the climate change models predicted a much more conservative timeline on when we would be experiencing the effects of climate change than what is actually happening in the real world now.. so idk, scary shit man ☹️
they also have admitted to only announcing the most optimistic results because nobody would believe them if they didn't, and if people did it would be devastating
If how conservative they've been in the past is any indication, this is going to happen next monday
I made a poster about this for an assignment when I was primary school, like 18 years ago. Ffs
We should have listened, but your poster was washed from the main stream media!
Title gore.
If anyone wants to read more about AMOC, here is a description from NASA along with the NASA illustration that was in the article:
BRIEF: As the ocean warms and land ice melts, ocean circulation — the movement of heat around the planet by currents — could be impacted. Research with NASA satellites and other data is currently underway to learn more.
Edit: climate.nasa.gov is fantastic for this kind of stuff, btw. They have tons of data from their satellites you can download, visualizations, videos, charts, graphics, tutorials...just all sorts of things. It's very cool.
As long as we finally get colder weather and snow in Germany again, I'm all for it. No, not really because it's horrible but I try to see the positive things.
You might like the weather but you'll have some issues with an utterly collapsed food chain
I can remember a time when elon musk was still saying smart things... like if there's even a 1% chance of it destroying the planet. We should do everything to avoid it.
What would this result in, if this happens?
I asked Bing chat a similar question. Here the sobering answer:
The Gulf Stream is a crucial system of ocean currents that plays a vital role in Earth's climate. If it were to collapse, the consequences would be significant and abrupt. Some of the potential consequences include:
- Fast sea level rise in the Atlantic¹
- More extreme winters in Western Europe¹
- Disruptions to monsoon systems in the tropics¹
- Greater cooling and more powerful storms across the Northern Hemisphere¹
- Severe disruption to the rain that billions of people rely upon to grow crops in Africa, South America, and India¹
- Extreme cold to Europe and parts of North America¹
- Raised sea levels along the U.S. East Coast¹
- Endangerment of the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets¹
It is important to note that scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream could collapse at any time². The shutdown of this ocean current could lead to serious consequences globally, impacting heat and rainfall distribution². A major Atlantic current could collapse by midcentury as a result of climate change, prompting extreme cold in Europe and sea level rise along the eastern coast of the U.S., according to a study³. It is crucial that we take action to prevent this from happening.
(1) Gulf Stream: A crucial system of ocean currents is showing signs of .... https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/world/climate-gulf-stream-collapse-warning-study-intl/index.html.
(2) Atlantic Ocean currents system could collapse this century from climate change: study. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlantic-ocean-currents-system-collapse-climate-change/.
(3) The Gulf Stream Is in Danger of Collapsing as Early as 2025. https://www.theinertia.com/environment/gulf-stream-collapse-2025/.
(4) Gulf stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests.
(5) Scientists Are Warning of Gulf Stream Collapse | Futurism. https://futurism.com/collapse-ocean-currents-freeze-north-america-europe.
Edit: deleted a dead link
So nothing major right? Business as usual.
I don't know about the former, but yes to the latter.