Community for those against and for Jill Stein!
Jill Stein is running for president to offer people a choice outside the failed two-party system. Let's put a pro-worker, anti-war, climate emergency agenda front and center in this election and on the ballot in November 2024.
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Jill Stein is a Harvard-educated doctor, a pioneering environmental health advocate, and an organizer for people, planet, and peace. She has helped lead initiatives to fight environmental racism, injustice, and pollution, to promote healthy communities, and to revitalize democracy. She has helped win victories in campaign finance reform, racially-just redistricting, and the clean-up of incinerators, coal plants, and other toxic threats. She was a principal organizer for the Global Climate Convergence for People, Planet, and Peace over Profit.
Banned in c/politics, two first names, and there is even a made up story that seemingly is an amalgamation of a few different stories in their comment history (https://a.lemmy.world/lemmy.world/comment/13034690)
I don't want to say this is a disinformation operative, but it sure fucking quacks like one.
Banned for saying Kamala is and will help fund genocide. Was called a conspiracy theorist for believing there is a genocide in Palestine. Shills astroturfed my account and went and downvoted everything including my community where all I did was post music in support of equal rights. Mod is pro-censorship against any inconvenient truths about Kamala while users falsely claimed I'm a Trump-supporting fascist. Good job [email protected]. I hadn't made up my mind but you solidified my vote for Stein.
So vote for Stein and throw your vote away, possibly helping Trump in the long run
Great idea.
Good choice! I'm sure Trump will do a much better job handling this than Kamala!!
I don't think either will be good at it which is why I'm voting for Jill Stein.
Congratulations! /s
Congratulations to the willfully blind Democrats.
Third parties are great and we need them. That's why first past the post needs to die first:
Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
Until we have ranked choice voting, or some kind of ranked list type vote, you really do only have two choices. Not because of limp-dick defeatism. Not because of establishment stranglehold. Because of voting math.
Basically, when you factor in the laws of votings physics, voting for Stein under this system isn't voting for Stein, it's voting for Trump. The way to get a Stein in the white house is to get Harris in now and then absolutely fucking bust balls and crack skulls to get ranked choice voting (or similar) passed.
Otherwise you are engaging in actions which do not lead to the outcome you yourself want. This is why first past the post needs to die. Given enough election cycles, it forces a choice between losing completely (trump) and not getting what you want (harris). It's all just the effects of bad game rules.
How would third party voters already voting for someone else help Trump, unless they otherwise would vote for Kamala? What makes you think they'd vote for Kamala?
I think you just look at what the two candidates are offering and then look at the overlap between each of them and whatever third party you are considering voting for.
Using logic, the candidate that most closely matches your preferences is the one that is losing your vote, and since 3rd parties can't win in a first past the post system, you have worked against your own best interests by giving your vote to the third party instead of the one of the 2 that matches your interests most closely, which gives the candidate that least aligns with your values an advantage of 1 vote not cast for their opponent.
It's math. people who vote 3rd party aren't just throwing their vote away, they are specifically hurting the major candidate that most matches their viewpoints.
In this case we can guess based on context who OP would vote for if only given 2 choices. And let me be clear: they are only getting two choices. They can choose the major candidate who aligns with their beliefs most closely, or they can waste their ballot, giving the other party the advantage.
your own best interests by giving your vote to the third party instead of the one of the 2 that matches your interests most closely, which gives the candidate that least aligns with your values an advantage of 1 vote not cast for their opponent.
Please don't assume that my interests aligns closely with either bought-and-paid-for-by-corporations establishment two-party candidate. If I wasn't voting for a third party candidate this election, then I wouldn't be voting for any other candidate, so no one is taking my vote away because they never earned it in the first place.
It’s math. people who vote 3rd party aren’t just throwing their vote away, they are specifically hurting the major candidate that most matches their viewpoints.
That isn't math and isn't logical. We know that a candidate that is further from our values could get elected if we don't vote for a two party candidate. That is a chance we're willing to take and if you'd instead focus on making more demands from your preferred candidate, instead of attacking, lying about, and blaming other people, then you may get somewhere. Me personally, the final straw was Democrats supporting and enabling genocide. That's where I draw my line in the sand. Her saying she wouldn't do anything different than Biden was obvious and abhorrent.
It is math and logic. Humans are really bad at this and that's how we get to where we are now. You are a good example and I think your arguments stand to show why.
Good luck with your democracy.
How'd that math (your bias) and logic (your emotions) work out for you?
The math and logic went as expected. Fools like you all over the country made ignorant selfish decisions, and here are the consequences.
I'm so confused why you'd bother to waste your time on a "gotcha!" With a stranger on the internet. But it shows how vain you are, so I guess that tracks.
You're right about one thing, it went exactly as expected. The blame-anyone-but-ourselves Democrats will learn nothing from this and in 4 years you'll be making the same mistakes that got you here.
What mistake are you referring to? Bothering to respond to you? I'm only human.
I'm referring to pretending Kamala was a saint and blaming others for why she lost. Want to be mad at someone, then be mad at her.
Are you mistaking me for someone else? I assume you are in a whole ton of internet arguments right now, but maybe check who you are responding to (and where, I just made the same mistake trying to respond to you)
You're the one who said I'm really bad at this and the reason we got here and that fools like me made ignorant selfish decisions. The irony.
And?
All that evil needs to prosper is inaction from good people.