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Jill Stein, "People Planet Peace"

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I received my ballot a week ago and I couldn't bring myself to fill it out yet. I'm scared of another Trump presidency if that is what happens, but I can't keep supporting Democrats that have become what they claim to hate. I know if I vote for her that I'm sending a message that they can keep using the same playbook to move closer to fascism and corporatocracy.

They use their influence & power to eliminate opposition, and their donor money to astroturf social media. They censor other voices online, and spread lies about other people (Jill Stein) without evidence. They gaslight and claim you're fascist for telling the truth and blame others for their mistakes. They'll use your money to pay for genocide while turning a blind eye to help themselves, but make a thousand excused why they can't help you.

They don't deserve to win. Trump will be bad and I'm scared about what will happen if he wins, but you and I are not to blame. All they had to do was be truthful, transparent, empathetic and genuine—but their lust for power got in the way.

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[–] NegativeLookBehind 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So vote for Stein and throw your vote away, possibly helping Trump in the long run

Great idea.

[–] timewarp -5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm not throwing my vote away. I'm sending an important message to those who have become blind to reality. One Israeli life does not equal that of 10 innocent Palestinian children. Kamala doesn't say stop the massacre now, but instead that we will always support the apartheid state.

Her administration has rewarded the genocide and vetoed the UN. They actively ignore and reject the findings by the ICJ and spread false narratives. I'm done and won't support it, but go ahead and pretend the genocide is a conspiracy theory.

[–] FlowVoid 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And Jill refuses to say Putin is a war criminal, but instead will always support him.

How many Ukrainian lives are worth one Palestinian life?

[–] timewarp -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She absolutely did and you must not be paying attention. Go watch her Zeteo interview. Stein does real interviews not PR stunts from her donors.

[–] FlowVoid 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Don't gaslight me. I was paying very close attention. She clearly avoided calling Putin a war criminal. And she was given many opportunities:


Mehdi Hasan: So you called Netanyahu one, which I think he is.

Jill Stein: Oh, absolutely.

Mehdi Hasan: Is Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: So what we said about Putin was that his invasion of Ukraine is a criminal and murderous war.

Mehdi Hasan: And he's a war criminal who should be on trial?

Jill Stein: Well, by implication.

Mehdi Hasan: You're struggling here to say something very simple. This is why people have their doubts about you with Russia. Why is Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal but not Vladimir Putin?

Jill Stein: Well, as John F. Kennedy said, "We must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate." So if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name calling and hurling out that.

Mehdi Hasan: So how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then, if you've called Netanyahu a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal.

Mehdi Hasan: Oh, so Putin clearly isn't a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Well, we don't have a decision, put it this way, by the International Criminal Court.

Mehdi Hasan: Yes, we do. Yes, actually, actually, you're wrong. There's an arrest warrant for Putin and there isn't an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, so why is Putin not a war criminal, but Netanyahu is?

Jill Stein: Yeah. Well, let me say this. We are sponsoring that war. We are sponsoring Netanyahu. He is our dog in this fight. That is why we have a responsibility to pull him back.

Mehdi Hasan: No disagreement from me at all. It still doesn't answer my question. Whether we sponsor them or not is irrelevant.

Jill Stein: With Russia it's far more complicated.

Mehdi Hasan: Either you're a war criminal or you're not. Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: In so many words, yes he is.

Mehdi Hasan: I don't know "what so many words" - Butch, is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Let me say that whatever you think he is -

Mehdi Hasan: It's not about what I think. I'm asking you. You're running for President.

Jill Stein: If you want to pull him back, if you are a world leader, you don't begin your conversation by calling someone a war criminal unless you have a…

Mehdi Hasan: So why have you called Biden and Netanyahu war criminals?

Jill Stein: Because we have a clear strategy and we have very strong support across the world.

[–] timewarp -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She calls him a war criminal at least there times there and you're so blind you don't even recognize it. Now go ask Kamala about her master Netanyahu. Has she called Netanyahu a war criminal? Oh she must be an Israeli agent according to your logic.

[–] FlowVoid 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'm afraid you're the one who refuses to see.

Jill Stein only used the words "war criminal" twice in that segment, and in both cases she wasn't referring to Putin.

In fact, she spent less time talking about his war crimes than on explaining why one shouldn't call Putin a war criminal.

[–] timewarp -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She absolutely referred to Putin as a war criminal 3 times but didn't repeat Mehdi's exact words like a parrot 🦜 Come back when Kamala calls Netanyahu a war criminal and I'll demand Stein use stronger language for you. At this point you have no standing.

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

She didn't repeat what Mehdi said because she didn't want to be quoted saying Putin is a war criminal.

But instead she said this:

So if you want to be an effective world leader, you don't start by name calling and hurling out that.

"Hurl out that?" What exactly do you not want to hurl out, Jill?

Come back when Kamala calls Netanyahu a war criminal

Ok, so Jill is no better than Kamala when it comes to being "anti-genocide". Glad that's cleared up.

[–] timewarp 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Mehdi Hasan: Is Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: So what we said about Putin was that his invasion of Ukraine is a criminal and murderous war.

Mehdi Hasan: And he’s a war criminal who should be on trial?

Jill Stein: Well, by implication.

Mehdi Hasan: Either you’re a war criminal or you’re not. Is Vladimir Putin a war criminal?

Jill Stein: In so many words, yes he is.

Now do Kamala... Is Netanyahu a war criminal?

Her expected response will be... "As you know the Palestinians, er I mean Hamas, attacked Israel on Oct. 7 and they are just defending themselves. We will always support Israel!"

Yeah nice try to both sides this. Your argument that Kamala is bad, but Trump is worse, isn't compelling. Maybe find a candidate that isn't bribed and corrupt. No evidence that Jill Stein is either of those things, and she absolutely stated that Putin instigated a "criminal and murderous war", should be on trial for doing so and that "in so many words, yes he is" a war criminal.

She even calls him a war criminal right on her website:

https://www.jillstein2024.com/resign

So stop lying and pretending Kamala doesn't support genocide and changing the narrative.

[–] FlowVoid 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

She even calls him a war criminal right on her website:

https://www.jillstein2024.com/resign

More gaslighting. There is literally nothing there about Putin.

[–] timewarp 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sorry I thought that was the right link. Here she is calling him a war criminal:

https://www.instagram.com/drjillstein/p/DAHhwbTSG2p/

[–] FlowVoid 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm sorry, but that makes me even more suspicious of Stein's motives.

She finally gathers the courage to criticize Putin, and SHE IGNORES HIS INVASION OF UKRAINE! Does she even understand why the world condemns Putin? Does she know why he was indicted by the ICC?

Open a newspaper, Jill. It's not because of FREAKING SYRIA!

Her platform regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine is indistinguishable from that of Trump: "stop arming Ukraine". So Russia can finish its conquest without US interference. Guess what, that's also the same as Putin's advice to the US.

If I wanted the US to take Putin's advice there would be no need to vote for Stein, I would just vote for Trump.

[–] redisdead 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The important message you're sending is 'I would like to piss away my vote, thanks.'

[–] timewarp -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, the message you send is... "I'll vote for genocide and tell you who you should vote for cause democracy."

[–] redisdead 1 points 2 months ago
  1. Jill Stains won't stop it

  2. I'm not telling you who to vote for, this is a democracy, you're free to piss away your vote if you want to.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you, war is not the answer. But realistically speaking, what kind of chance does a third party candidate have? Does this help illustrate it?

[–] timewarp -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The point for people to vote for Stein isn't cause she'll win this election. It's to send a message. Kamala didn't earn my vote and her supporters harassing, threatening, and slandering me nonstop doesn't help. Everyone is entitled to vote for who they want and Democrats have crossed into the voter intimidation category. Like I said, Democrats are heading towards fascism and their supporters will allow it.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok, if we get Trump, you helped it happen.

[–] timewarp -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If Trump gets elected you and Kamalacide helped it happen.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That makes no sense. Good luck with your single digit voting percentages and “having your voice heard”. Harris is the one chance this country has against descending into chaos and you’re out here gambling on it. Here, a little excerpt from Wikipedia regarding the 2016 election:

Russians worked to boost the Stein campaign as part of the effort to siphon support away from Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and tilt the election to Trump."

You’re right where they want you. Angry and willing to throw your votes away, towards a candidate that doesn’t have a semblance of a chance, in a country that doesn’t give a fuck about your individual voice. You only have a chance if you’re in the majority.

Welcome to reality.

[–] timewarp 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They boosted Bernie Sanders as well. Are you saying Bernie is a Russian agent because they boosted a campaign?

I'm not buying, "yeah Kamala's statements and policy on Israel are pretty bad, but Trump is worse" argument. Find a better candidate or demand she change her tune.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m not saying that. I’m saying they’ll do anything to divert you from the only chance you have at some semblance of a functioning democracy.

[–] timewarp 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

So your end goal is a "democracy" where our politician gives our tax dollars and resources to another country massacring innocent people? And Kamala is likely to send our own soldiers to fight in an expanding war to help Israel grab land.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My goal is to keep a fucking madman out of the White House. Unfortunately, given the circumstances, we get what you mentioned (to some degree) no matter if Trump or Kamala wins. The lesser of two evils is the only viable option.

[–] timewarp 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're worried about one guy? I get it to some extent but I think they'll play this game as long as you let them. At what point will you say enough is enough? 4 years, 8 years, or will you just keep playing the two party system until Democrats become Trump and you still get it?

[–] NegativeLookBehind 1 points 2 months ago

Great. Good luck with Jill.

[–] Johnmannesca 1 points 2 months ago

Obviously there is no choice; If you vote against you'll just be ignored like most people who don't actively try to discuss things with you. I hope you don't get offended by reading that last sentence, but I truly believe that there isn't a clear path to stop a genocide by casting a vote; perhaps there are other means to attain the goal in mind?

[–] SmokumJoe 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're voting for the Russian asset.

[–] timewarp 1 points 2 months ago

She is actively against the Ukrainian war and has stated Putin should be arrested and charged with war crimes. You're full of it and making things up to try to boost your terrible candidate.

[–] timewarp 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

She's cooperated in multiple inquiries and there is no evidence that she's a Russian agent. So predictable though. Do you see them wherever you go? Do you need a schizophrenia mental health hotline?