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[–] DandomRude 84 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Zionism is inherently racist. This movement has nothing to do with Judaism. One of the greatest misdeeds of the Netanyahu regime - tho it pales in comparison to their other misdeeds - is to present their inhumane actions as the Jews' point of view. Israel's strategy in the last couple of year was to portray all completely justified criticism of Zionism, and especially of the state of Israel's inhumane approach to its realization, as anti-Semitism. There is no truth in this whatsoever. Zionism is not Judaism and the state of Israel does not stand for the Jews as a religious group - these days Israel only stands for a criminal regime that murders helpless people and breaks international law. This is not about religion, but about crimes against humanity committed by a sovereign state, by Israel, their criminal regime and all their henchmen.

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (49 children)

Lol... Their ancestors only lived there after they ethnically cleansed the people who were already living there. They've been doing this crap for a long time.

Edit: to clarify, I'm talking about the Jewish people of Israel

[–] [email protected] 56 points 4 days ago (10 children)

When you say "they," are you referring to all humans throughout all of human history? Not conquering/displacing people is a much more recent international norm

[–] WhatAmLemmy 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

More of a recent virtue signal we've been propagandized to believe, while continuing the conquering and displacement without skipping a beat.

While the west was writing the UN declaration of human rights, they were hard at work creating the state of Israel, directly denying Palestine their right to democracy and displacing a million of them.

At the end of WW2 America, and the rest of the anglo-allies, assisted France in trying to reclaim their colonies, rejecting hundreds of millions their "basic human right" to democracy; all of this went on for decades after the declaration was ratified, as if that meant anything.

Human rights don't apply as long as you are labelled a communist, terrorist, separatist, extremist, pedo, etc, etc. Then they can torture you in a black site all nice and legal.

Most of our history has been written by sociopathic criminals.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you look at the entirety of human history, genocides and displacements have objectively been at an all-time low since the end of WWII

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (13 children)

According to the Bible, yes. Which is most likely not true. Remember that Zionism started as a secular movement, with religious people getting more (very) on board relatively recently

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[–] madthumbs 13 points 4 days ago

This is according to their own religious texts which can be found in the Bible as well. A religion of genocide that instructed on brutal racial slavery.

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[–] Etterra 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No. The real reason is to keep an ally in the very Muslim middle east and because they believe that it's a prerequisite for the rapture.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

At this point, I don't think anyone involved believes in a loving God, or even a God that will punish sinners. Neither of them would want this.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (8 children)

A unified and stable middle east would be and would have been a global superpower with the ability to influence independent control over major global trade routes and energy supply.

This is why the Israel is and has been imperative to U.S. foreign policy.

[–] xenoclast 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Money, guns and oil baaaabbbbyyy. Everything else is propaganda and distractions

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Linus Torvalds - ban Israel developers from linux

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Oh, shit, the Mossad would absolutely do that, huh

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (8 children)

The jewish people have never wholly owned that area. Persians, Arabs, and many other races have also always lived there. It’s literally in the bible.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also remember that the bronze age Jews were not at all special among the tribes of the area, their story about themselves is aggrandizing fiction that all the tribes did, it's just the Jews' stories survived and became popular

Also bronze age. Those that left left so long ago, the only right they have to the place is military might and the legal right given based on lobbying and the racism of the law makers in question.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Iron age, the Hebrew age of myth was set during the bronze age and in the immediate period of the bronze age collapse. Moses was bronze age, david was post bronze age collapse, the first diaspora was during the early Iron age, and the second diaspora was during antiquity.

Sorry if im being anal about it but one of the few good things about the old testament is that it tracks the evolution from bronze to iron pretty well, also Cyrus the great works as a solid historical reference point. But yeah there was about 700 years between the end of the bronze age and the end of the first diaspora, and about a thousand years to the second diaspora. For reference the Roman empire still existed seven hundred years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (19 children)

"their ancestors"

The first Jews to move to Palestine were European Jews, they can't use the "our ancestors" card.

[–] IceBerg 15 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Dude, jews have been living in israel all throughout history. They've been forcefully expelled from the country by the various empires which have conquered it but there has always been a jewish presence in the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

In addition to the first Israeli migrants being Europeans, they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land. The Muslim and Christian populations are mostly descendents from ancient Israelis that converted.

Israel is basically just the US, which is why they're such strong allies. They have the same roots.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land.

They also sterilized a bunch of Ethiopian and Mizrahi Jews, on the grounds that these non-European ethinic cohorts were having too many kids.

Incidentally, Israel government has been grappling with a big childlessness crisis which threatens to tank their Jewish population.

One big reason for the genocide in Gaza (which has been in effect since 2006, but recently hit a fevered pitch) is that - despite their best efforts - the Israeli government has failed to neuter the Palestinian population growth rate.

So much of Israeli policy boils down to white nationalist eugenics.

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[–] Fades 4 points 3 days ago

It’s the same bs Russia uses to validate their invasion and theft of land like Crimea

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol I thought this was a Mormon meme at first

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[–] lightscription 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Very good point.

Settler colonial re(de)colonize colony USA!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ask for Manhattan back in exchange for returning the blankets and beads

[–] thesporkeffect 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Out of the kindness of my heart I will be donating smallpox blankets to the NYPD even if they don't return Manhattan

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Not really, it's just a thinly veiled excuse so that any criticism of our current neocolonialist policies can be treated and swept up under the rug just like centuries before, except the rug is painted in the color of supposed religious intolerance (oh shit, guess I still can't be atheist in the 21st century).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Don't I deserve to seize my childhood home, or the one I sold last week? no anti-semitic replies please.

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