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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land.

They also sterilized a bunch of Ethiopian and Mizrahi Jews, on the grounds that these non-European ethinic cohorts were having too many kids.

Incidentally, Israel government has been grappling with a big childlessness crisis which threatens to tank their Jewish population.

One big reason for the genocide in Gaza (which has been in effect since 2006, but recently hit a fevered pitch) is that - despite their best efforts - the Israeli government has failed to neuter the Palestinian population growth rate.

So much of Israeli policy boils down to white nationalist eugenics.

[–] naught101 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Source (on the first bit in particular)? I mean, that's easy to believe, given the behaviour of other European colonists in other places, but also not the kind of thing I'd want to claim without references.

[–] Silic0n_Alph4 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The things to look up are Beta Israel (a lost tribe who were discovered in Ethiopia) and Operation Solomon (how they wound up in Israel). From there, you might find some answers from Israeli sources or elsewhere. I’ve similarly heard this assertion/rumour that the women of Beta Israel were sterilised after their incredible discovery and rescue, but haven’t seen authoritative sources for either side. Still, this should be an interesting rabbit hole to go down.

[–] RunawayFixer 5 points 3 days ago

According to a fact check article, Israel investigated themselves by such methods as not interviewing any of the victims, after which Israel found that Israel had done nothing wrong: https://thedispatch.com/article/assessing-claims-that-ethiopian-immigrants-to-israel-received-birth-control-shots-without-consent/ If they didn't want to look suspicious as hell, then they sure failed.

Your article was from 2012. In 2013 the Israeli Ministry of Health ordered gynaecologists to stop the Depo Provera treatments if the patients did not understand what treatment they were getting. This also gets touched on in the fact check.

What the fact check doesn't mention is that the minister of health at that time was apparently a white supremacist: < Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state”. > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

Because of the testimonies, because of Netanyahu and because Israel refuses a thorough independent investigation, I suspect that this forced sterilization campaign really happened.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Someone last time this came up linked to a report, I think from Hareetz, into an Israeli government investigation that did indeed find that Beta Israeli women Were sterilised without consent en mass.

Don't have a link handy, but that should be enough to dig it up.