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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How alarmed? holy fuck, there no level below running around with ones hair on fire that would be appropriate. if Trump wins again, it is the end of all things. This is not fucking hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

He will purposefully burn so much coal there will be no stopping a wet bulb planet.

[–] slumlordthanatos 74 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Dude, I'm scared in a way that only someone who has a history degree can be scared. We are currently in the lead-up to the next global conflict, and this time, we have the capability to destroy ourselves.

I'm seeing what is going on now, and it's the same thing that was happening in Europe in the 1920s. I've been saying that January 6 was the GOP's Munich Beer Hall Putsch. We're gonna find out in a couple weeks if we're gonna let the new fascists gain power like Hitler did in the 30s.

[–] khannie 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I've no history degree but this all smells very similar to the late Roman Republic to me. The cult of personality, purges of those not loyal to the right person etc etc.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

With the technology at our disposal, the possibilities are unbounded.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No matter what happens, there will be cuts to things like Medicaid and the ACA and folks like me can kiss goodbye access to my $18.5k+ per month cancer medication. The LGBT community will be vilified and being LGBT will be turned into a crime.

People should be fucking alarmed because people will die, just because they're behind the invisible wall of poverty or a marginalized community doesn't make it any less damning or horrific. America is just used to shrugging and moving on when the poor and marginalized die.

It's systemic murder and it can and will happen under a Trump (in actuality Vance, once he 25th amendments Trumps ass) Presidency. Project 2025 isn't a joke, when people tell you who they are, believe them the first time.

[–] Substance_P 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Project 2025 points to changes on facistic levels, say no more.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This what gets me about modern American politics or even the American population in general

They are having a never ending debate about whether or not they want a normal average politician .... or a deranged elderly sociopath who is obviously losing his mental abilities and has fascist leanings.

I'm not alarmed about Turnip .... I'm alarmed of the general American culture that has normalized all this.

Because if they will allow all the crap that is happening now .... what will they allow next?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

This. It's not an election, it's what's next. Is every American election just going to be "Outright Fascism vs. Traditional Conservatism?" Is it always going to be this unrelenting and horrible from now on? Trump losing would be a good thing, but it doesn't fix the problem.

The way I see it, the problems are that we've lost trust in the concept of society. We don't trust expertise. That's not even a right vs left thing. I know it's unpopular to "both sides" these things, but in truth it's not even a matter of sides: Everyone of all political stripes just disregards what they don't want to hear.

At the same time, truth is getting harder to discern anyway. Botnets distributing and promoting misinformation, deepfakes making lies look real, and hordes of the financially incentivized pushing whatever their audience wants to hear over what is real.

Anyway, I try to be optimistic but I just don't see how things will actually get better.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

If you are not a diehard MAGA you should be terrified and voting like your life depends on it. Even moderate Republicans are going to be targeted for not being MAGA enough.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, seeing as i work for the government, I expect I'll be fired if not outright hunted down.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/30/trump-loyalists-deep-state-blacklist-american-accountability-foundation

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don't think I'll live through another Trump term, so I'm probably going to check out if it happens.

[–] grue 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Never kill yourself for something that's somebody else's fault.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Go to Canada or Australia before you pull that switch

[–] Nightwingdragon 24 points 1 month ago

Most people don't have the resources necessary to move up the street, let alone to another country. And both Canada and Austrailia are significantly harder to legally emigrate to than the US. The people who have the resources to do that on a whim are probably the ones who have to worry about Trump's agenda the least.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I would if that was an easy option but as of yet no one seems to be taking in US "refugees" nor do they have much sympathy for nor want them.

I'm past my prime with cancer. They just view me as a foreign drain on their system. I don't pass the basic immigration demands because I am poor and don't bring anything to the table economically.

I guess everyone with money and ability to move can find comfort in leaving folks like me behind to die.

[–] Pichu0102 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the whole no public charges thing I think all countries have will lead to a lot of people with disabilities dying when Medicaid is cut off, if not a repeat of Aktion T4 in the USA. I don't see a good future for anyone disabled in the USA. The situation is grim, at best.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

You think Canada will be safe when shit hits the fan in the US? Because I don't.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

its expensive. ive checked.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

ask them politely if you can just step in to use the bathroom, be in and out in a sec. (then stay)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago
[–] jordanlund 13 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Don't wait until it happens to acquire firearms and training. Start building up communities and networks of like minded neighbors to look out for each other.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Maximum. It would be like book burning, but with people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Remember the red wave hype? This is the same. Still, do the work and vote but don’t waste your time prepping for nothing. Polls are broken. The GOP is in its death spiral not a resurgence.

[–] AbidanYre 14 points 1 month ago

I wish I had your optimism.

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