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I find it odd that when filling out a form that asked me what my religion is one of the choices is Atheist.

What now? That is the that opposite of religion.

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Atheism is a religion the same way bald is a hair color.

[–] Nednarb44 26 points 2 months ago

I told a religious buddy of mine that atheism is a religion the same way "off" is a TV channel. He struggled to comprehend how that's even possible lol

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Thanks; I'm stealing that!

[–] Kintarian 11 points 2 months ago
[–] FlyingSquid 36 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Philosophically, that's true. But I understand putting it in the religion column for the purpose of statistics. And 'none' and 'atheist' are two different possible answers. You can have no religion but believe very fervently in a god of your own conception.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That sounds more like "Other" than "None".

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why? If you worship a god but don't subscribe to any dogma, accept any scripture or listen to any religious authority, you have no religion. You're just a theist.

[–] FuglyDuck 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Why? If you worship a god but don’t subscribe to any dogma, accept any scripture or listen to any religious authority, you have no religion. You’re just a theist.

~~Except atheism is literally a lack of belief in a god or deity. If you believe in some type of deity, you're not an atheist. by default.~~ Edit: I missread that. Sorry. Too much coffee and not enough sleep can cause halicuinations

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 months ago

That was my point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess it depends on your definition of religion. To me, it sounds like a personal religion, even if just one person believes in it. There are any number of religions too small to be included in their list, probably, so they should have an "Other" option, and that seems like the best fit for someone who has a personal set of religious beliefs that do not align with a listed religion.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 months ago

Or you could just keep it how it's always been for the purposes of easy tabulation.

[–] essell 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I suspect Satanists and others on the left hand path would disagree but I agree you're functionally correct

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I like the idea of putting “none.” I’m gonna start doing that instead of atheist.

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[–] mechoman444 20 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Atheism is not a religion or worldview.

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a god or God's.

Many atheists including myself adhere to the statement of simply being unconvinced that there is a God or having no credible evidence to indicate a God's existence.

Maybe the form we were filling out legitimately needed that information but typically outside of a very specific set of data. I don't see why any form would ever ask you what your religion or lack of religion might be.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Atheist is tangential to religion, you have religious theists or atheists as religion is about a system of philosophy and ethics while theism is about belief in gods.

Irreligious, 'none' or 'does not apply' might be better.

[–] Kintarian 13 points 2 months ago

I appreciate the surveys that just say "doesn't apply".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Atheist is not a statement about your religion at all. I'm also an atheist and my 'religion' is basically secular humanist. Yours could be none, Unitarian Universalist, Buddhist, secular humanist, or any others that are compatible.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I don't intend this to be harsh or negative but I don't know how to phrase this nicely;

Secular Humanism is a philosophy, not a religion. Religions are faith-based while philosophies are based in some logical argumentation. The muddling of religion with philosophy linguistically serves only to tarnish philosophy and lend undue credence to religion. That language is so flexible can be beneficial but it can equally be detrimental when used like this.

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[–] Kintarian 5 points 2 months ago

Wow, I just read about secular humanism, and it seems to be pretty much exactly how I feel about things. The human race could, through science, understanding, and cooperation, solve most of the problems that we are faced with. I like that.

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[–] wabafee 9 points 2 months ago

Just put Pastafarianism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Same. Goes to show how much thought and care has been put into it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The closest I have to religion is naturalist, which is to say based on the data I have, I can't find any evidence anywhere of supernatural effects, and while I haven't personally done the looking, the scientific consensus is that there's nothing, even when it comes to religious investigators actively looking for evidence of the stuff they expect to see.

To date, there are some pretty high bounties on evidence of various kinds of spooky shit that remain unclaimed.

Of course, I don't know this to be the case. The simulation hypothesis has not been ruled out, which would allow for effects we cannot detect. It doesn't stop me from worshiping my cat. (Cat-huffing. It's a thing.) And it raises questions whether we are the same person when we wake up after non-REM sleep, or a new iteration of the identity. (The transporter paradox). But so far, the most likely explanation is we're material girls living in a material world.

[–] Kintarian 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

In my opinion, if somebody states that there's something spooky going on, then the onus is on them to provide evidence and prove what they're saying. I don't have to do anything.

[–] FuglyDuck 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"isn't it spooky how all the evidence just ups and dissapppears when you look at it?!"

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[–] JeeBaiChow 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Depends if you define religion as 'act of worship', or 'belief aystem', I guess. Bhuddism would fail the first, but not the second.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

its because if it was just none christians would count it as people who are just undecided and haven't accepted jesus.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Atheism is a choice; where I choose evidence and logic.

To me it is basically:

I don't believe in your imaginary friend; but don't feel special, I don't believe in anyone else's imaginary friend either.

[–] Kintarian 5 points 2 months ago

I once told somebody that if you want to believe in a magic man in the sky, then go for it, but don't expect me to.

[–] Grogon 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In my country we have "Konfessionslos" -> non-denominational.

[–] spankmonkey 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Non-denominational is still religious/spiritual here, like Christians that aren't affiliated with a specific church.

[–] Grogon 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hm weird, I left religion and now I am labeled as "Konfessionslos". Dont pay anything to a church or anything that has to do with this fairytale story.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Since 'atheism' means 'without religion' it's the same as putting in "none."

imho

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