Programmer Humor

Agreed. I have colleagues that I write scripts for (I don't do that any more, I stopped and shit stopped working, so they solve things manually now), they don't know shit about scripting... and still don't.

On the other hand, I've had the pleasure of working with a dev that was just this very positive, very friendly person and was also very knowledgeable when it came to hardware, so we were on the same page most of the time. He also accepted most of my code changes and the ones that he didn't, gave him an idea of how to solve it more efficiently. We were a great team to be honest. We're still friends. Don't see him as frequently, but we keep in touch.

As a software person i have to protest at being called out like this. It's the fucking weekend man...stop picking on me for just one damn day.

No, we can't get gigabit fiber everywhere. No, I don't care if your program needs it. Yes, the laws of physics are laws for a reason. Write more robust code.

Yep, unrealistic expectations.

Or "you need a 12th gen i7 to run this thing"... the thing is a glorified Avidemux.

As an IT guy, I'd love to give software devs full admin rights to their computer to troubleshoot and install anything as they see fit, it would save me a lot of time out of my day. But I can't trust everyone in the organization not to click suspicious links or open obvious phishing emails that invite ransomware into the organization that can sink a company overnight.

And the more corporate the organisation the more rules, at least the places I have worked trusts developers enough to give local admin, that takes the edge off many tasks.

"Their rules" are basic security precautions

I think you probably don't realise you hate standards and certifications. No IT person wants yet another system generating more calls and complexity. but here is iso, or a cyber insurance policy, or NIST, or acsc asking minimums with checklists and a cyber review answering them with controls.

Crazy that there's so little understanding about why it's there, that you just think it's the "IT guy" wanting those.

I think the meme is more about perspectives and listening to the way someone thinks about operating IT is very different from the way someone things about architecting IT

Absolutely agree, as a developer.

The devops team set up a pretty effective setup for our devops pipeline that allows us to scale infinity. Which would be great if we had infinite resources.

We're hitting situations where the solution is to throw more hardware at it.

And IT cannot provision tech fast enough within budget for any of this. So devs are absolutely suffering right now.

I've always found this weird. I think to be a good software developer it helps to know what's happening under the hood when you take an action. It certainly helps when you want to optimize memory access for speed etc.

I genuinely do know both sides of the coin. But I do know that the majority of my fellow developers at work most certainly have no clue about how computers work under the hood, or networking for example.

I find it weird because, to be good at software development (and I don't mean, following what the computer science methodology tells you, I mean having an idea of the best way to translate an idea into a logical solution that can be applied in any programming language, and most importantly how to optimize your solution, for example in terms of memory access etc) requires an understanding of the underlying systems. That if you write software that is sending or receiving network packets it certainly helps to understand how that works, at least to consider the best protocols to use.

But, it is definitely true.

Yup. Programmers who have only ever been programmers tend to act like god's gift to this world.

20 year IT guy and I second this. Developers tend to be more troublesome than the manager wanting a shared folder for their team.

As a developer I can freely admit that without the operations people the software I develop would not run anywhere but on my laptop.

I know as much about hardware as a cook knows about his stove and the plates the food is served on – more than the average person but waaaay less than the people producing and maintaining them.

As a devops manager that’s been both, it depends on the group. Ideally a devops group has a few former devs and a few former systems guys.

Honestly, the best devops teams have at least one guy that’s a liaison with IT who is primarily a systems guy but reports to both systems and devops. Why?

It gets you priority IT tickets and access while systems trusts him to do it right. He’s like the crux of every good devops team. He’s an IT hire paid for by the devops team budget as an offering in exchange for priority tickets.

But in general, you’re absolutely right.