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The article is actually decently well written good-faith satire meant to address how poverty and hunger are inherent to capitalism as a system. The title was just too bold lol

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago

The article is NOT satire -- it's provocative. The author argues that world hunger benefits the rich. Capiche?

I hope the UN restores the article.

Interview with author: https://fee.org/articles/un-deletes-article-titled-the-benefits-of-world-hunger-was-it-real-or-satire/

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Before you have an opinion on it, just read the article, it's just one page. https://www2.hawaii.edu/~kent/BenefitsofWorldHunger.pdf

The UN really shot themselves in the foot by deleting it, because the title only looks bad if you don't actually read the rest of the text, which they now made more difficult.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

they probably would've just added [SATIRE] to the title

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago

A modest proposal for the global south

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (4 children)

hunger is "fundamental to the working of the world's economy"

I mean, he's probably right, but that means we should work to change the system, not throw more orphans into the crushing machine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

there's no "but" -- this is exactly the point the author is making.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

But the machine needs those orphans to keep going! Why would we want to deprive the system of what it needs? Won't anybody think of the shareholders!?!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Which is actually said in the original article

[–] Diplomjodler3 7 points 1 day ago

Won't anybody think of the employees in the orphan crushing industry?

[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This is such a clickbait, and it backfired.

The actual point conveyed in the article is that world hunger is beneficial for the rich as it allows to operate sweatshops and employ people under tyrannical conditions over low pay, which is not far from modern slavery. Which is super bad for everyone else, hence world hunger must be stopped and rich should get the taste of their own medicine.

But people did react to the headline, and possibly rightfully so.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well i didnt read the article but it depends on the framing. Is he defending the capitalist status quo? If yes then he can go die of hunger imo. If the article points out that rich people benefit from hunger and that this is in fact bad, then thats cool.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

He does directly state the latter.

Here's an archived version of the article, courtesy to [email protected]:

https://archive.is/MObDZ

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What a self own with the title then. Should have changed it to "The beneficiaries of world hunger"

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[–] gAlienLifeform 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the title was a bit of a tragic, click-baity, foot-gun. Lol

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[–] [email protected] 172 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So he's not defending/promoting "world Hunger", just arguing that it's not a bug but a feature developed to have cheap labor, and that the people in power don't want to end it

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Sounds good at a glance, but when you look at the way he reaches that conclusion (that the threat of hunger is the only reason people are willing to work), and his solution (for a class of "intellectuals" like him to take charge) however, are just neoliberal swill..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

his solution (for a class of "intellectuals" like him to take charge) however, are just neoliberal swill

This is such a common pitfall that even self-described communists fall into it as well. When you hear people talk about a "dictatorship of the proletariat," what they're describing tends to devolve into "a class of intellectuals needs to guide the working class to the correct decisions" when questioned about what a "dictatorship of the proletariat" actually entails. Often they'll try to justify it by saying it's only temporary, but we all know how that pans out (see the USSR). This is why I consider myself an anarchist rather than a communist and regularly critique marxism-leninism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

If i recall correctly, this is basically the entire premise to Animal Farm. Great book.

[–] Dasnap 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Maybe they should build a city in the ocean where these intellectuals have full control. Maybe experiment with some cool drugs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Sounds positively Rapturous

[–] Alexstarfire 12 points 1 day ago

Would you kindly come join us?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Isn't this what Anarchists and other Anti-capitalists have been saying for well over 100 years? That despite having the ability for abundance, we use scarcity to extract labour from people to make rich fuckers money?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Lenin made the clearest case for it in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Financial and Industrial Capital is exported directly to the sources of raw materials and lower cost of living, which is then hyper-exploited for super-profits domestically.

Even within Capitalist countries, starvation is kept dangerous because Capitalism requires a "reserve army of labor," as Marx put it. It's the idea of "if you weren't doing this job, someone would kill for it" that suppresses wages.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yo I see this shit posted all the time. The article was written in 2008 for the UNs magazine and meant to be satire. It has since been removed by the UN for being ambiguous.

https://communist.red/the-benefits-of-world-hunger-un-blurs-the-line-between-satire-and-reality/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

things that were obvious satire in 2008 are ambiguous now i love 2020s capitalism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

There are absolutely politicians who would say this shit unironically

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FEE is an American Libertarian think tank.

Let that help you figure out what’s actually happening here.

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[–] danc4498 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“No one works harder than hungry people”

While this is probably true, the problem is that their reward for this hard work in no way comes close to fixing their hunger problem.

Meanwhile the assholes in control of the economy and responsible for their hunger problem are taking all the rewards and hoarding it for no better reasons than to compare with other assholes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To quote the article in question (highlight is my own):

"[H]ow many of us would sell our services so cheaply if it were not for the threat of hunger? When we sell our services cheaply, we enrich others, those who own the factories, the machines and the lands, and ultimately own the people who work for them. For those who depend on the availability of cheap labour, hunger is the foundation of their wealth."

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@sharkfucker420 It's a good thing "A Modest Proposal"[1] wasn't titled "The Benefits of Cannibalism" because I guess people would have taken that at face value as well.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, he's not wrong about hunger being an intended part of capitalism so workers are coerced into working for even less pay.

Calling it a "benefit" is very clickbaity though.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Kinda like how Kevin O'Leary thinks more poor people incentivizes more business startups. As if homeless people and poor families are just a few business courses away from millionaire status.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Even if this article was some sort of thought experiment, what the fuck value does it have? Even if the outcome was very much “I’m against this,” I’m not sure what the point is, unless it does a good job of explaining what kind of fucked up things this has lead to in society (like sweat shops and modern day slavery). Even then, this kind of nonsense serves wealthy scum.

Edit: the article is very much satire. Thanks for the added context and commentary!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s satire. And it’s apparently doing its job swimmingly because people are on here talking about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, started reading the original article and I totally get the tone now. Definitely worked well on me!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think about this all the time.

All the "just a prank" folks.

All the "I'm just asking questions" folks.

The "It's just a thought experiment" folks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"a modest proposal" was another banger on a similar topic

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I’ve seen it firsthand from people before and I’m just like… why? Why do you think this way? It’s just cowardice at the end of the day. They’ll say those things because it’s an easy escape from being called out for having fucked views that allow fascism and corporate interests to flourish.

“I’m just asking questions” is so fucking annoying. You and I both know you’re not and you’re trying to frame this like you’re not the sociopath in this situation. It’s so disingenuous.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It does explain those things! I quote:

"While it is true that hunger is caused by low-paying jobs, we need to understand that hunger at the same time causes low-paying jobs to be created."

The title is clearly thinly veiled satire and a pointed reminder that our current wealth is founded on the suffering of the poor.

Just read the article, it's one page. https://www2.hawaii.edu/~kent/BenefitsofWorldHunger.pdf

But I'm sure George Kent, author of "Freedom from Want: The Human Right to Adequate Food" is actually a shill for wealthy scum.

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[–] TheDarkQuark 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] SpaceNoodle 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Contending that it was what, assholes?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Y'all should actually read the article because it seems like it's saying something completely different from what OP is trying to make it sound like. Basically, if I understood correctly, Kent was being critical of the idea that market-led solutions (i.e. capitalism fixes hunger) are better than community-driven solutions. He was also saying that hunger is part of capitalism, and you'll never get rid of hunger while capitalism exists, because capitalism needs to withhold resources to force people to work.

This paragraph seems to sum up the article pretty well:

In Kent’s view, one gathers, global hunger is not a complex problem that is being addressed by free market capitalism; it’s a moral one that requires empowering intellectuals like Kent to solve it.

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[–] Visstix 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

He calls it "not satire" but "provocative". So he doesn't mean it, but says it to provoke a reaction... Like satire.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It sounds like he just doesn't find it funny, which is why he doesn't want to call it satire.

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