What? What is pullpush? What does that have to do with lawyers? I'm confused
this post was submitted on 22 Jul 2023
234 points (95.0% liked)
17631 readers
6 users here now
News and Discussions about Reddit
Welcome to !reddit. This is a community for all news and discussions about Reddit.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules
Rule 1- No brigading.
**You may not encourage brigading any communities or subreddits in any way. **
YSKs are about self-improvement on how to do things.
Rule 2- No illegal or NSFW or gore content.
**No illegal or NSFW or gore content. **
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding META posts.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-Reddit posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.
If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
:::spoiler Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Pullpush is an alternative and free API for reddit, this threat/ban is based on the assumption that pullpush is using the official reddit API, and I guess that its using it exclusively through a single reddit account which they just banned.
It has to do with lawyers because they are trying to make a vague legal threat i guess, Youtube made a similar demand of invidious and sent a C&D to them for violating ToS of the Youtube API which they do not use.. So I dont think the lack of lawyers is the issue so much as lack of competent engineers who could explain to the lawyers that one does not need to use API to get content from a public website which requires no login to see contents.
Pullpush is the spiritual successor of Pushshift. Supposedly, Reddit is threatening legal action over Pullpush’s use of Reddit’s API. In reality, I’ll be shocked if this goes anywhere
That tells me everything and nothing unfortunately. What's pushshift then? What does it do? What does it have to do with reddit? And why are reddit's lawyers sacked?
PushShift was a sorta reddit archive that could be used to see deleted comments and threads - if anyone ever sent you to a ceddit, rareddit, unddit, reveddit, etc link to view a deleted post or comment thread, that information was gathered via PushShift.
Pushshift was an API service that connected with Reddit to pull information about posts, users and other data. For example you used to be able to use unddit to input a URL and get a full listing of a comment thread, showing all comments that have been purged.
This was a super handy service that Reddit all of a sudden cut off with only 1-2 months of notice. Moderators used to use this service extensively to help them moderate and actual data scientist used to integrate with it to pull out a heap of data.
The best part about pushshift was that you could take a permalink (e.g. a 5000+ point upvoted deleted comment) and see if it actually violated the rules of the subreddit OR if the admins were just being shitcunts.
I think the implication is that no competent legal council would sign off on the messages sent by Reddit admin, therefore Reddit's legal department must have been sacked. As for the rest of it, I can't say.
Never go full Elon Musk.
So... I read the post and I'm missing a lot of context here. Is PullPush a separate third-party API that someone released to interface with Reddit's servers?
If so, could they be sued for data scraping like this?
If they agreed to a user agreement and violated it while causing damages sure. Proving they did may be tough.
This is funny. In the email he wrote that the only way to contact the pullpush team is to do so using the forum and, at the same time, he added a really weird ToS agreement where if you are affiliated to Reddit in any way you set that the only possible arbitration of all the disputes need to pass through, I assume, him as a judge.
I'm both impressed and weirded out. Kudos for the creativity.
I kinda like that PullPush needs to find and pay Ivan before arbitration commences. I kinda think Ivan is a random name intended to be unfindable so arbitration never starts.
I kinda think Ivan is a random name
Hahahaha, that would be even better!
What the hell