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On so many different news items, threads, etc. People are the first to claim pretty much anyone who has made a mistake, or does something they disagree with deserves to die.

Like, do some people not have the capability to empathise and realise they might have been in a similar place if they were born in a different environment…

I genuinely understand, you think a politician who has lead to countless deaths, a war criminal, or a mass rapists deserves to die.

But here people say it for stuff that falls way below the bar.

A contracted logger of a rainforest (who knows if they have the money / opportunity to support their family another way). Deserves to die.

A civilian of Nazi germany of whom we know nothing about their collaboration/agreement with the regime. Deserves to die.

Some person who was a drug dealer and then served their time. Deserves to die.

Like I don’t get it? Are people not able to imagine the kind of situations that create these people, and that it’s not impossible to imagine the large majority of people in these positions if born in a different environment?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

The internet is just a bunch of grown-ups and children arguing "as equals".

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Because people use hyperbole and aren’t always serious. How many times have you said “I’m gonna kill you”?

[–] mecfs 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately the examples here are serious. In that I end up arguing with the person and they defend their point that the person should die/be killed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Never. I'd personally be afraid someone might take that seriously.

Though maybe that one's cultural and said more casually where you're from. I've heard it in TV shows, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

How many times have you said that to a complete stranger? People generally use hyperbole with people who understand the hyperbole - the more extreme the hyperbole the more you need to trust the person would understand it. It's the social contract

[–] netvor 4 points 1 week ago

Along with other things said here, people tend to "forget" that there's a real person on the other end.

I vaguely recall Nicholas Christakis talking about a study they made, where they created a bot which would simply remind people of the fact that there's a real person on the other end, and they found that it would help. (That study was done in some university platform and is centuries old in internet time, though. I think he spoke about it about 6 years ago on podcast with Sam Harris.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Because they are behind a screen, and they see life as videogames and hyperbole.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago
[–] AbouBenAdhem 2 points 1 week ago

I think there’s a part of our brains that treats these stories as fiction—in particular, the kind of folk fiction used to reinforce community mores. The strength of our reaction to such stories signals how strongly we support the standards, not necessarily what we think should be done in real life to those who violate them.

[–] uberdroog 1 points 1 week ago

It's the one thing we all deserve, the great equalizer. That's not what you are asking, I know but still.

[–] JusticeForPorygon 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have to ask, is this about the TiL post regarding Soviet Labor camps? Because I saw that right after this.

[–] mecfs 2 points 1 week ago

Partly. But it’s been building up in me for the past few months. Like I legitimately see it every day on lemmy.

[–] whotookkarl 1 points 1 week ago

We judge others more harshly than ourselves or our friends and family, it's often a tribal artifact of the environment our species grew up and evolved in through its infancy that has in part informed our acceptable behaviors as a social species who relies on groups for survival (justice, altruism, fairness, social contract, etc).

Sometimes it's hyperbole, sometimes it's incorrectly treating people different than ourselves as less than instead of different to, and sometimes someone violates common morality so abjectly that capital punishment is a popular acceptable outcome.

[–] Etterra 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know about others, but I don't think anybody deserves to die necessarily. It is faaaaar too merciful a fate for horrible people. I believe the worst of humanity - rapists, murderers, child abusers, etc. - deserve to live long, painful, oh so horrible lives.

My choice would be to put them inside of a 3 meter cube of steel, welded shut, with only a hamster bottle for water, a hole in the bottom for waste, and a nutrient paste dispensing chute. When the prisoner eventually dies, it is bury the whole thing out in the desert to be their unmarked tomb.

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[–] stoly 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is human nature. It's the same reason you had 20 year olds sucker punching 70 year old asian women during lockdown. Cowardice and a need to lash out.

[–] surewhynotlem 0 points 1 week ago

No. It may be the nature of some subset of people. Those people should die.

[–] Doburoku 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because they're a stranger. I don't know them and probably never will. Oh they did something shitty that cost someone else their life? Good, they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell.

Because I don't know them and they commited something I think is evil. There's no purpose in me humanizing them. I humanize the actual people in life I interact with.

Also its impotent rage

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thats brainless tbh. Thats the type of mindset that makes everyone a slave to their emotions because they all just react without thinking deeply/compassionately.

Its simply a lack of self control and critical thinking that leads people to lose their empathy

[–] Doburoku 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok. Don't really care about what some random asshole online thinks I'm just explaining to OP.

I'm not changing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

No worries bud consider it an explanation to OP to nullify yours

Well thats to be expected. Does a fish swim?

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