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This has gotten some attention, especially about a week ago, but I really hope more people will continue to try it and, if interested, support it. It is Firefox, but heavily modified to please a different audience that prefers a slightly different UI than Firefox. It has some of the appeal of Arc, Vivaldi, and the Sidebery extension.

In my view, it is very promising, and all competition in this space is good. Here it is on Github, also.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I've used it for a bit, and it's really really nice. I just don't know if I trust it to keep up with security updates, especially something so sensitive as a web browser.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's just Firefox with a custom skin.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I know, but that means it needs to keep its firefox source version up to date to keep up with security, and as its source diverges more and more from vanilla firefox, it'll get harder to do that.

Plus they've already proved to be amateurs by enabling some things that really shouldn't have been enabled: https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/pull/927.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah enabling remote debugging because the dev thought it made it easier is a pretty big oof.

But this is just strike one. It's a one man show, after all, so cutting them some slack is warranted when it comes to this specific topic.

Nevertheless, your concerns aren't unfounded. This project needs more contributors to be able to keep up. (Thorium is basically in the same boat)

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

I'll wait and see before I actually make a decision for real. But so far, not looking great.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A great custom skin, and far better defaults for both privacy and speed, based on Betterfox.

The fact that a fork that simply has a better UI and default settings is gaining so much popularity shows how bad Mozilla is fumbling their product.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I do hope this puts mozilla in a position where they have to improve firefox.

[–] zxand 2 points 2 months ago

Zen browser has some Vivaldi and ARC browser customization features. That could be an interesting difference.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So far it's been in sync with Firefox Nightly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

So far, yes, but it's early days for it, and I suspect it will get harder and harder to keep up.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The UI/UX is so good for a one-person team that I hope it embarrasses Mozilla into actually making serious improvements to their browser for the first time in a decade.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

With Google influence? I'd really love to see it, no sarcasm.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

I was such a HUGE fan of Floorp until I saw the main dev behind it talk about how they wanted to start looking into ways to “monetize” the browser. Just really turned me off and I went back to Firefox.

Needless to say, this looks AWESOME, and I hope that more people find it and try it out. (After the early bugs are ironed out, of course).

Good job devs!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Can you use FF extensions with it? The web site doesn't say one way or the other.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago

yes. it's Firefox with some extra UI modifications, but it's the same thing under the hood.

[–] theherk 4 points 2 months ago

Definitely as already answered, but I'll also add they have a "theme store" which is kind of a bespoke userChrome.css tool. It isn't just themes, but it is in addition to, not in lieu of Firefox extensions.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Finally, I can replace Arc browser! Floorp was terrible.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I tried Floorp and didn't like it either, I'm glad there's a more promising looking project out there now. Still great to see more development in the Firefox/Gecko ecosystem. We don't need more Chromium garbage.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

100% Chromium monopoly needs to die.

[–] theherk 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Floorp didn't impress me either, but I'm not sure yet that I can 100% replace my awesome Arc workflow. The "Air Traffic Control" with profile / space combinations is spectacular. But I'll find a way to make it work, because I really prefer FOSS when possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just wish Zen adds small details/features like Arc team does. Small details/features are crucial in the early stages of the project.

[–] theherk 5 points 2 months ago

My hopes are high but I’m trying to keep my expectations low. Just one guy and some contributors is a much different context than a bunch of venture capital. But I agree.

[–] voracread 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Chromium based browser

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

nice. gonna give it a try. the more Firefox in this world the better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Does it support Firefox Sync or offer a similar solution/integration?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

It uses Forefox Sync.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Supports FF Sync.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So Firefox with a user.js and a CSS theme. I'm not saying Zen Browser is bad. But it's nothing new.

[–] JaddedFauceet 3 points 2 months ago

The css theme is new.

give it a try, it is quite interesting

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I've been using it everyday for the past 2 weeks and have enjoyed my time with it. Looks like a very promising browser.

The more Firefox the better.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I’m digging it so far! Definitely nice to have more FF-based options 🦊

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Been using it as my only browser since launch, super pleased with the experience so far. Really hope this sticks around for a long time.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fast Profile switching? I’m downloading this immediately when I get home.

[–] theherk 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The profile switching is just that of Firefox, but with a button that makes it a bit more accessible. And there is the concept of workspaces within a given profile, but I haven't quite figured out how to set it up best for my workflow yet.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I jump between a lot of profiles for work and chrome makes that too easy. It’s the only thing holding me back from switching to Firefox.

[–] theherk 3 points 2 months ago

I find that multi account containers suits most of my needs for this. I have a container locked to work sites that has a separate credential chain.

[–] shrugs 5 points 2 months ago

Tried it for a few days. It works just like firefox minus one embedded video that crashed after 5 secs but worked in ordinary firefox.

What really surprised me was the speed. Loading youtube on firefox ~0.6 on zen ~0.1 which felt rather nice. I'm still not sure if its worth the hassel to switch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

now that I have been spoiled by floorp with workspaces, I have to ask... does it do workspaces? I can't find it on the site if it does

[–] theherk 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It does indeed. There is a button in the top left for it by default.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

awesome, thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Is the browsers website (not GitHub) 404-ing for anyone else?

[–] theherk 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seems currently up for me, but it is on vercel and I have seen it down a few times.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They recently told me they're moving from Vercel to Cloudflare (Pages?), which is great because the former kept making me wait for a while.

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[–] newcockroach 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Waiting for it in nixpkgs :). Tried it out in flatpak and i loved it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Just started playing around with it. I like it so far.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Switched to it as my default. Its store nice and their theme store system is great

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