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[–] Spacebar 179 points 1 year ago (16 children)

At a certain point, eventually, the voters in Florida have to say enough is enough, right?

Can a state be majority racist, homophobic, anti woman and pro ignorance forever? Is that what 51% of Floridians really want?

[–] lordbarbarossa 154 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it’s anything like Ohio it doesn’t matter what the majority wants. The republicans have drawn the maps so that they can control everything even with like 45% of the vote

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At the very least it shouldn't get them a republican governor.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maps don't, but vote suppression does

[–] Kbobabob 22 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Maps absolutely do as does vote suppression. It can be both

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[–] kibiz0r 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Voters in Florida saying “That’s enough racism” is like me at the Olive Garden saying “That’s enough parmesan”. It’s never gonna happen without severe civil unrest.

[–] SpaceNoodle 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Olive Garden gives me civil unrest.

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[–] flossdaily 38 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Fascism is an ideology that rewards people for being the worst version of themselves.

With every evil act they perform they feel better about themselves. These people are just getting started.

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[–] tnarg42 108 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Universities in other states need to loudly proclaim they will not accept Florida high school graduates fed this horseshit. "Does not meet prerequisites for higher education." You want to be Confederate Jesusland? Fine, but there's a cost. Employers need to do the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's only going to hurt the kids who want out of that shithole state. They didn't choose to grow up there. And even if it's comparable to a hyper religious private school education, colleges aren't blanket denying students from those, same with homeschool kids. It may be necessary to offer remedial classes, but colleges are already doing that for math.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That sort of happens anyway. Kids taught creationism get laughed out of Biology 101 and have to spend some semesters passing Bio for Boneheads, where they unlearn all the creation myths and get a truth bath of evolution.

US History is important for poly sci majors and law majors, so yeah some might have to make sure they can pass exams or explain how we were late among western nations to end slavery (and use truck systems, exploitation of new immigrants and child labor to keep the ill-gotten flavor in our gains.)

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[–] Omen2819 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was ignorant enough to support this kind of crap when I was younger. It's never too late to turn your life around; please stop voting for these people.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Conservatives rant about the left "indoctrinating" kids to be gay or trans, but this shit is literal indoctrination. It's fucking alarming. Like, normally I'd say stay the fuck outta places like Florida or Texas but at this point we need more liberals sent out to even out these psychos.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every accusation by a Conservative is admission of guilt

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[–] Omen2819 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s hard when it starts at such a young age. I had it at home, church, and school. I didn’t start to change my thinking until my mid thirties, and even then it was painful because your entire reality starts to shatter.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What the actual fuck??? Seriously, Florida?

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[–] journey01 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

How is critical race theory banned, but this shit is allowed?

This is a rhetorical question. I know the answer...

[–] YoBuckStopsHere 30 points 1 year ago

Critical Race Theory is a requirement to get a law degree at most colleges. It was never taught below that level. What conservatives called CRT was actually American History.

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[–] Rezenate 46 points 1 year ago

Jesus fucking christ. Glad my family moved from that shit hole when I was a child.

[–] veganpizza69 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For those who don't know:

"The Southern Argument for Slavery"

Here: https://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp

Defenders of slavery argued that by comparison with the poor of Europe and the workers in the Northern states, that slaves were better cared for. They said that their owners would protect and assist them when they were sick and aged, unlike those who, once fired from their work, were left to fend helplessly for themselves.

PDF: https://www.allenisd.org/cms/lib/TX01001197/Centricity/Domain/1919/The%20Southern%20Argument%20for%20Slavery.pdf

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/1859/01/19/archives/the-abolition-of-slavery.html

The "personal benefit" is a type of welfarist argument. As in the slave owners "gave them good lives" and that made it all OK.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Next year: "Y'know. We don't say nearly enough about all of good things Hitler did."

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[–] KuroJ 45 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Ahh yes Florida, please teach me how slavery was such a beneficial thing for my race.

I’m sure the millions of slaves that were forced to work in fields without pay, murdered, raped, and were threatened just for wanting equal rights would agree with you.

Obvious /s

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[–] journey01 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It sounds like white Floridians should volunteer to be enslaved.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's start by enslaving anyone supporting this policy and ask them after 5 years how beneficial they think it is.

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[–] finkrat 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Florida is a cursed state that has been lost to Republican and Far-Right whimsy, wow

I was a little suspect of the NAACP memo about it being unsafe for Black people but man this just seals the deal

[–] breadsmasher 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When they elect their leaders, they aren’t sending their best. They’re sending the racist hateful assholes. The dredges of society.

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[–] newthrowaway20 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Next thing you tell me, Florida is going to have a sponsored showings of Songs of the South.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was taught the standard American Exceptionalism package in the 1970s-1980s which included full throated endorsement of American ~~Imperialism~~ spreading of freedom to undeveloped nations in exchange for sweet deals on their labor and resources.

In the 90s I started figuring out they were lying to me all this time, when I was a credulous child.

And now I hold a bit of a grudge.

So maybe we can expect the next generation of Floridians to emerge knowing their own society gives them not a single fuck.

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[–] MeaanBeaan 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Guys, they weren't slaves. They were just unpaid interns receiving exposure and experience. Promise.

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[–] JohnBoBon 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

My teachers were pretty cool and they made sure to refute any positive spins people tried to attribute to slavery. Some kids came in thinking slave owners treated their slaves just like family, and the teachers shut that right down.

I'm worried about the education system. I bet those same teachers would have gotten into trouble for saying that now, being that it is apparently against the curriculum. I always thought that outside media was misleading and that education was supposed to be the truth. Now it seems like education is misleading, and it is a scary scary thing that outside media might be leaned on to learn the truth.

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[–] Gazumbo 28 points 1 year ago

When is the Desantis Youth being formed?

[–] Mostly_Harmless 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not surprising. I had some cousins in Florida who were taught in school that the south "technically" won the war. They never could quite explain it, but absolutely believed it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Florida should just be removed from the rest of the US and continue to exist as an isolated island for assholes.

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[–] Suavevillain 20 points 1 year ago

Florida is rough man. People really enjoy waking up being hateful and ignorant here. I'm glad my parents took the time to teach me Black history outside of school hours.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not American but I've been reading up on American history. This is reminiscent of the propaganda that said slavery taught black people to be hardworking and discouraged laziness, which was in line with Christian values at the time. Is that correct?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My hope is that because this is such an obvious, stupid lie, it'll inspire kids to question all of the other stuff in their history books too; even blue-state schools teach ridiculous lies about American history, my kids got all sorts of upbeat hokum about Columbus I had to correct them on.

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[–] mycroft 19 points 1 year ago

Of course Florida would do this, they're part of the "Mark of Cain" south.

That is: Southern Preachers maintained the horrific canon that black slaves would only survive as subservient to their white masters, because god had marked them. This is a big part of all the separations of churches during the civil war.

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