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Children of spies only discovered they were Russian on the plane to Moscow, Kremlin says
(www.nbcnews.com)
What a mind fuck for those kids
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Makes me wonder if the parents or Putin negotiated that the kids had to come with them as part of the exchange.
If I was 16 and living in the US, I’d tell everyone to get fucked I ain’t going nowhere.
First, their parents were sleeper agents in Slovenia, not the US.
But, okay. Let's say that it was the US involved, not Slovenia.
The US, unlike Slovenia, uses jus soli -- if you're born on American soil, whether your parents are present legally or not (with very, very few exceptions, like for diplomats and soldiers of a foreign power occupying American territory), you are an American citizen.
But even then, it sounds like the kids were born prior to the parents entering the country, so they wouldn't have been American citizens. Their parents apparently got visas on forged Argentinian passports, and I assume that whatever visa the kids were on was contingent on that, so the visa would presumably have been invalidated.
Besides, I assume that their parents didn't want to leave them behind. I mean, yeah, their parents were spies, but I don't expect that we're going to take someone's kids over that.
And the kids didn't think that they were Slovenian, but rather from Argentina. Up until the plane ride, that's probably where they expected to wind up.
IIRC they were in a foster family due to both parents being in prison for a year+, with them having a weird legal status. It sucks to be these kids and I don't think someone asked them.
Canada uses Jus Soli too (as well as Jus Sanguinis), but they fought to not grant citizenship to a kid born in Canada whose parents turned out to be spies.
The government's argument was that since the parents were on fraudulent documents and were effectively working for the Russian embassy, their kids shouldn't have Canadian citizenship.
It's possible they were born in Argentina which also has jus soli. But they would also almost certainly have Russian citizenship via jus sanguinis.
In 2010, a 16 year old boy who assumed he was Canadian found out that his parents were spies.
16 is a little young to be out on your own. In particular, you don't have any relatives who can help you because... well your parents were spies living under a cover identity.
16 is a little young to be out on your own.
Oh cmon I moved from my mom's house at 15 and just look at how... uh...
I see your point.
Truly the worst version of "Is It Cake?" imaginable
I remember reading an interview with the kid that the spy Anna Chapman had while in the US after he was sent to Russia with his mother.
I don't think that she had a kid in the US. Either that or she did a damned good job of keeping her figure.
kagis
Yeah. Apparently she gave birth to her first kid in Russia five years after being deported.
The BORN identity: Russian secret agent Anna Chapman gives birth to her first child in Moscow but refuses to name the father
- Anna Chapman was stripped of her British citizenship after the spy claims
- She was deported from the United States in 2010 and runs an antique shop
You may be thinking of some Russian sleeper agents in Canada who had a son who was something like 17 or 18, was totally in the dark about what his parents were doing, and very much did not want to leave Canada and go to Russia.
kagis
It sounds like he fought to remain a Canadan citizen and won.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50873329
Alexander Vavilov had his citizenship revoked after his parents, who worked for Russia's foreign intelligence service, were arrested in 2010.
He was born in Canada, and until their arrest he believed his parents were Canadian too.
It is the first time he has spoken since Canada's Supreme Court ruled his citizenship was valid.
"I am who I am - whatever you learn about your heritage I don't think it defines you as a person," Mr Vavilov told the media in Toronto on Friday.
He said the court victory was recognition that he not only feels like a Canadian, but is one in the eyes of the law.
The government said that since his parents worked for a foreign government at the time of his birth, being born on Canadian soil was not enough to grant him citizenship.
Thus began Mr Vavilov's long fight to restore his citizenship.
Typically, being born in Canada grants a child automatic citizenship. But there are exceptions for the children of diplomats. The government said that exception should apply to him - Mr Vavilov's legal team disagreed.
On Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled that since his parents were not granted diplomatic status, his citizenship is valid.
EDIT: He was 16 when they were arrested, and it sounds like most of that time had lived in the US as a Canadian, and that he is in Russia but was looking for work in Canada.
He told the media that he wants a future in Canada but his next steps depend on his prospects - he will move back for a good work opportunity.
Having to go live in Russia. Yuckkkk
Peskov said, before praising intelligence officers who "make such sacrifices for the sake of their work, for the sake of devotion to the cause.">
Yeah, this kids will be very happy about "the cause".
Article says they were arrested in 2022. Did the kids not realize it was for espionage?
If they kept it out of the news, I don't see why they should have known if nobody told them what's going on.
who did the kids stay with all this time?
Buenas noches = Good night
Buenas tardes = Good evening
In Spanish, "buenas noches" is not exclusively used as a farewell like in English, it can also be used as a greeting, just as "good morning" and "good evening".
It's strange how that happened. In English "good morning" is simply a greeting, same with "good day" (or g'day in Australia) and "good afternoon". In context, they can also be a way of saying "goodbye". But, if you're working the night shift and you show up at work, you can't greet your co-worker with "good night".
Yeah, "buenos dias" is never a farewell, always a greeting. If you want a morning farewell you say something like "have a good day" (que pase buen dia).
I find it cute when someone speaking Spanish says "buenas noches" as a farewell. It seems like they're saying "hello" while waving bye. It's obvious that they learned Spanish as a second language. But Spanish as a 2nd language is almost universally seen as endearing by Hispanophones, not like some people in the US see people that view English as a 2nd language as insufficient, lesser, or rude.
Edit: Apparently, I am mistaken. Buenas noches can be used as a farewell. Maybe there are differences due to dialect.
I'm a native speaker and I use buenas noches as a farewell
You can 100% use "buenas tardes" and "buenas noches" on your way out. It depends on context and intonation.
My exit is always "Vaya con Dios." Of course because of Monsignor Martinez.
Wow. This is straight out of The Americans...
The funny thing is that The Americans was actually based on a similar case from 2010. In that case the kids were 16 and 20 when they found out their parents were spies.
Because Russia is hands down the best operator of these types of human intelligence networks.
Not because they're just smarter than everyone else, or have some genetic predisposition to being better, but because they've had to mass-produce people with this exact skill set to maintain their own empire for over a hundred years.
What we think of as Russia, is really mostly Slavic Muscovites who have stitched together the largest continuous empire on Earth and spanning many different ethnicities and races who didn't join by choice, but by being conquered.
It just so happens that the tradecraft and skills required for maintaining their large and diverse empire are pretty much the same ones necessary for this type of deep cover foreign espionage.
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