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When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he's already told Bibi to "finish it". So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

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[–] givesomefucks 62 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option's standards too.

It's not fucking sustainable.

[–] njm1314 22 points 4 months ago (3 children)

You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that's for gay rights and that didn't use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that's that's talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can't see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn't further left than they were.

[–] kerrigan778 4 points 4 months ago

The democratic party didn't even universally support abortion rights not that long ago.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Voting the lesser evil still leads to evil in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (15 children)

You got a practical alternative you'd like to share with the class?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Vote in your local elections, and support (or directly work to pass) election reform laws, particularly related to ditching the electoral college.

Not necessarily saying it's the alternative, but it's a start and local elections have larger personal impact most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (12 children)

I agree with all of this, but it's not an alternative, it's just an additional vector of action. My question is about alternatives to Biden for president in this election.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But all the people whining about gEnOciDe jOe are only upset because its and election year. They disappear after November and don’t show up again until 4 years later.

[–] Adubya 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump used Palestinian as a slur & they are laughing with him. Not sure how serious anyone is supposed to take them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Well, they’re serious about urging people to not vote against MAGA, so…. There’s that.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When the choice is between the lesser evil, and losing our democracy, having our LGBTQ+ friends and family lose their rights to exist and feel good in their own skin, our sisters, mothers, and daughters losing their body autonomy…

I’ll take the lesser evil- ANY FUCKING DAY YOU ASK.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

But NOW we'll start organizing... more than we had been previously! I swear we won't declare victory and do basically nothing political at all for the next 4 years.

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[–] Clent 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This does not logically follow.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Not in terms of pure logic but definitely in practical terms. You don't get far in humanities if you only follow pure logic.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Remember how blaming individuals solved climate change, too?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

I'm starting to suspect that Taylor Swift doesn't even care what we think!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I remember!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised… This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.

[–] TropicalDingdong 4 points 4 months ago

Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.

Supreme court also ruled that this was fine and very cool, very legal.

[–] SkunkWorkz 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is why young people need to vote in every election especially the local ones, even the ones that seem insignificant like a school board election. The only way for a Bernie to win a primary is if such a candidate is not an outlier. The entire party needs to move to the left and that starts from the ground up. Since people need to get exposed to more left wing politicians so left wing ideology becomes more normalized and at the moment it's not.

When young people vote you get people like AOC and Omar into office. The only way to get a Bernie elected is if there are more AOCs and Omars filling seats in local, state and the federal government. From the school board all the way up to the Senate.

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[–] ceenote 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

It didn't all happen in 2016. Fascists have been quietly diminishing the power of the electorate for decades now. We'll keep on having "the most important election of our lifetimes" until we manage to undo the damage. IF we manage to undo the damage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

If we manage to have any more non-sham elections.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Too young to remember how bloodthirsty Hilary was as secretary of state. Member when "we came, we saw, he died tehe"?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A lot of retrospective handwringing forgets this, or the vile comments that came out during Bill’s multiple sexual assault allegations.

Hillary was not the right candidate to fight Trump, Jeb Bush more likely. After Obama, returning to an establishment candidate was a mistake, and I don’t care if “it’s her turn” after stepping aside in 2008. Politics has real consequences for people who don’t vacation in the Hamptons.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Ummm.... Trump will turn UP the genocide.

[–] Somethingcheezie 11 points 4 months ago

Way more pro Israel rhetoric that any Biden comment but he then doubles down with lots of anti Palestine comments.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Your dichotomy of saying we have to pick between the Turd or a Douche is disingenuous.

[–] MrMcGasion 10 points 4 months ago

As someone who voted 3rd party in 2016 and regrets it. While you are technically correct, the last 8 years have shown that there is so much more on the line than what I was protesting against with my 3rd party vote. I didn't like Hillary Clinton's positions on war. And sure, my vote probably wouldn't have mattered all that much as I live in a very red state, but every time the Supreme Court does some bullshit, I feel a bit of regret that I didn't use my vote to support the best candidate who actually had a chance.

[–] whygohomie 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If he had more votes in the primary, then that could have been true despite the superdelegates. As it would be true for any other candidate.

But he/they didn't, and here we are moping over something that didn't happen years ago while the USSC lays the final stones in the foundation for an actual dictatorship.

Bold strategy. Let's see how that works out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

There are some elections between 1929 and 1939 that would be more consequential.

[–] multifariace 5 points 4 months ago

The DNC failed to put in a non-establishment candidate, so the Republican voters made it happen.

That huge failure continues to haunt this country while the DNC and the Republican voters double down on their mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Nostalgia is a good tool against anxiety, but it may perturbate the notion of reality

[–] S491 3 points 4 months ago

I love that I get to choose whether Palestinians get the slow death of starvation and disease or the fast death of bombs and bullets

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