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A private call of top Democrats fuels more insider anger about Biden's debate performance (apnews.com)

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A sense of concern is growing inside the top ranks of the Democratic Party that leaders of Joe Biden’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee are not taking seriously enough the impact of the president’s troubling debate performance earlier in the week.

DNC Chairman Jaime Harrison and Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez held a Saturday afternoon call with dozens of committee members across the country, a group of some of the most influential members of the party. They largely ignored Biden’s weak showing Thursday night or the avalanche of criticism that followed.

Multiple committee members on the call, most granted anonymity to talk about the private discussion, described feeling like they were being gaslighted — that they were being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party’s predicament. The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread sense of panic among elected officials, donors and other stakeholders.

Instead, the people said, Harrison offered what they described as a rosy assessment of Biden’s path forward. The chat function was disabled and there were no questions allowed.

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And there is the problem laid bare - there are too many people associated with the campaign who have a vested interest in it continuing, and are unable or unwilling to step back and listen.

Its been blindingly obvious for the last 18 months that Biden is a very bad choice for the democratic nomination. But the entire discourse has been dominated by an attitude that if you don't support biden, you're basically support trump.

It is the Biden supporters who are going to hand the presidency on a silver platter to Trump.

They need to step back and look at the bigger picture. This is not just some Republican talking point to reflexively ignore and fight against. Biden IS too old, and he DOES come across as confused. And he is making trump look better by comparison - he is lowering the bar of expectation and scrutiny of trump because the focus is on Bidens age and mental capacity.

The democrats have to ditch biden right now and begin the urgebt search for a better, younger candidate to unite behind. Its already very late in the day but every day they continue with Biden is another wasted.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you don't support Biden (by voting for him) you're supporting Trump (by splitting the vote), but in this phrase Biden can be replaced by anyone chosen by the Democrats to be the president, it doesn't need to be Biden, it just happens to be him right now.

[–] dhork 11 points 2 days ago

The issue (before Thursday) was that the anti-Biden wing of the party couldn't really demonstrate that the alternatives had any better shot of beating Trump at all. All the reasonable alternatives backed out of any major 2024 challenge precisely because they are young and can wait until 2028 (or even later!) to make their push. Once Biden announced for 2024, it took a lot of the momentum out of finding any Democratic challenger.

There is an assumption, though, that the person Democrats are nominating in 2024 is the same man who beat Trump in 2020. I don't think we can make that assumption anymore. Biden had his chance to demonstrate that and blew it. He doesn't get that many more chances. If he continues to blow them, then Trump wins by default. No Democrat wants that.

[–] thesporkeffect 14 points 2 days ago

2016 all over again

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The primaries have already happened and Biden soundly won them. How exactly do you see a replacement being selected?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There, a candidate must win support from the majority of "delegates" - party officials who formally choose the nominee. Delegates are assigned to candidates proportionally based on the results of each state's primary election. This year, Mr Biden won almost 99% of the nearly 4,000 delegates.

According to the DNC rules, those delegates are "pledged" to him, and are bound to support his nomination.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open convention.

Presumably, Mr Biden would have some sway over his pledged delegates, but they would ultimately be free to do as they please.

That could lead to a frantic contest erupting among Democrats who want a shot at the nomination. Source

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That assumes he's going to drop out, which frankly isn't going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The chat function was disabled and there were no questions allowed.

Nothing says "everything's fine" like refusing to allow anyone to talk.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess DNC Chairman gonna DNC Chairman. Maybe they need to relearn their lesson from 2016.

[–] PugJesus 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Cool, yeah, let's 'teach them a lesson' by going deeper into fascism, that really worked the past ten times we've done it.

[–] IndustryStandard 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Do you believe Biden is more popular than Bernie or a progressive Democrat?

[–] PugJesus 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

At the moment, no, because Bernie or another progressive Democrat isn't in the spotlight.

If Bernie or another progressive took Biden's place?

I'm not entirely discounting the idea that the American people could surprise me. But talking to ordinary voters, I'm not exactly filled with hope that there's a secret cabal of super-compassionate left wing votes waiting to be activated by the right candidate. In fact, I'm filled with the suspicion that Bernie or another progressive Dem would be in the same spot, or worse, as Biden is currently.

And regardless of whether a progressive would perform better electorally, the fact remains that Trump is not a valid alternative to anyone with any hint of foresight.

[–] hark 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course you view the left with suspicion. All you do is bash the left.

[–] PugJesus -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course you view the left with suspicion.

In fact, I’m filled with the suspicion that Bernie or another progressive Dem would be in the same spot, or worse, as Biden is currently.

Stellar reading comprehension, as always.

[–] hark 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You suspect that progressives could possibly do worse than your decrepit neoliberal king. How is that an incorrect reading of your post?

[–] PugJesus -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You suspect that progressives could possibly do worse than your decrepit neoliberal king. How is that an incorrect reading of your post?

That's not what 'view with suspicion' means. Don't worry - my opinion of your intellectual honesty isn't any higher than my opinion of your reading comprehension.

[–] hark 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You think the left could somehow do worse than biden. That's really all that one needs to know about you. Keep excusing your BS with claims that I'm not reading your posts right. Try writing a post that isn't a thinly-veiled bashing of the left.

[–] PugJesus 0 points 1 day ago

You think the left could somehow do worse than biden.

Yes, the left could electorally do worse than Biden, because I live in a very right-wing country. Sorry that you don't pay attention to US affairs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why don't one of them run? Oh they aren't viable candidates? Then you work with what you got.

[–] hark 8 points 1 day ago

It's not like democrats just happened to have this happen to them, they actively pushed for this in 2020 when they told all the candidates they could to drop and support Biden while paying for a PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Sanders. They worked harder to fight Sanders than they did to fight Trump. Then democrats made sure to make the 2024 primary as one-tracked as possible, in the name of "unity". The democrats made their bed and they were content with lying in it until Biden shat in it and they woke up from their little bubble. It's not like Biden was doing amazing before this, but his debate performance was so bad, even democrats steeped in the kool-aid could see how decrepit their beloved candidate is.

The scary part is that we're so far deep in this shit that I don't know if it's even possible to back out. It's an oncoming train collision which had its course set back in 2020 (or perhaps even 2016) that many could see coming but democrats chose to ignore because they place upholding the status quo for their donors as the highest priority.