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Looks just like VS Code and I think it's still built on electron so take that as you will.

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[–] umbraroze 13 points 2 days ago

Eclipse

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

Will probably need to check this out.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This could actually be a pretty big deal

  1. The Eclipse foundation has been making alternatives to VS Code's "killer apps" (Docker, Python, Go, C++, SSH, Live share, etc). AKA the closed source ones exclusive to VS Code offical that make all forks of VS Code a huge downgrade. The Eclipse foundation is also running the extension store that powers VS Codium.
  2. "why not just use VS Codium?" (With the killer extensions made by Eclipse)
    • VS Codium is great, but because of manpower limits, they always have to be "downstream" of VS Code. They can't rewrite any of the core systems.
    • As someone who contributes to VS Code, and loves VS Codium, many issues I have with VS Code have been open on github for +7 years, with hundreds of comments and thumbs-ups. We can't even sort the file explorer view by last-edited and folders-first (but we can do folders-first alphabetical). Thats been open since 2017.
    • Theia looks like it could finally be the hard fork I've been waiting for. A hackable editor, trying to be open source, where all my extensions work, and the community can actually make a PR, get it merged, and extensions are not excessively sandboxed.
    • Will it be that? Only time will tell, but the Eclipse foundation has a pretty good record. They're definitely prepared for long term support.
[–] wesifa 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I feel like VS Code is in a very weird place right now.

To just be productive, you need a ton of plugins and often enough these don't really solve all the problems you might have. For example, there's no "java dev" package, instead you have to install a meta-package plus a bunch of other random crap, half of which don't really work out of the box. Or, if you want to use the advanced features, you have to live with weird constraints and bugs. The UI isn't really designed to incorporate more advanced plugins and the plugins themselves often don't work as expected. For example, for some reason, if you connect to a remote host, the java LSP needs the java home dir to be in the same path on both machines, which is just weird.

For a text editor it's way too bloated, but for an IDE it's way to barebones. The days of the nimble and fast advanced editor are gone,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I use lazyvim and this is my experience in neovim as well. I don't think it's a weird place, it just puts the onus on the end-user to tailor their experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a black python extension (only downloaded it following a django tutorial) and it did nothing it was supposed to. So I'm not sure what it's intentions were.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Tried the ruff extension?

[–] TCB13 8 points 3 days ago

Great sum up, yes, the major issue with VS Code is the licensing issues that Microsoft caused there.

[–] calcopiritus 49 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Why would they copy VSCode including the aspect people hate most.

Had they made it in a native gui I might actually consider it. Otherwise, why wouldn't I just choose vscode.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago

Ease of plugin development is a major boon

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[–] Treczoks 2 points 1 day ago

I'll wait and see if they manage to get embedded system debugging to work properly. What I've seen in the past has been a pain in the you-know-what in that regard, showing clearly that their main focus was PCs.

[–] spacemanspiffy 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wonder where JetBrains Fleet is at, too.

I am happy there is more competition against VS Code. But I already have my forever-editor (Neovim).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I believe fleet is still in preview. I'm not a power user so I can't tell you how it compares to VS Code.

[–] qaz 4 points 2 days ago

Fleet is pretty good, it's almost like a combination of the existing jetbrains products (but some features are missing). However, it's not open source so I probably won't be using it.

[–] paf0 12 points 3 days ago

Coming soon, everything is corrupt, I have to delete the .metadata dir regularly, but it's faster.

[–] suckmyspez 9 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Give zed.dev a try. I’ve been using it over vscode more and more. Lots faster too

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Their client is only on MacOS though.

[–] suckmyspez 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Although no official release is available yet, Linux is buildable from source…

https://zed.dev/docs/development/linux

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

From what I see on github, there are major issues for Linux.

I am already fighting poorly designed vendor tools, adding one more unstable software in my workflow is just more frustrations.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It seems to be built on the same components as VScode and VScodium. Honestly, I don't see the point... yeah, sure, they want their editor to work on the web, but couldn't they have don't that with a GUI lib that compiles to WASM?

It feels like it's only for open source purists aka a minority.

Anti Commercial-AI license

[–] calcopiritus 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I feel like browser support is such a niche. I don't understand why many IDEs dedicate so many resources to make it work on the browser. There are already many options to code on the web if you need it.

[–] Swuden 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it’s to enable extensions written in JS. These apps build their success on a rich ecosystem of plugins. And, like it or not, JS plays a big part in that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the best (fastest) plugins aren't written in js.

[–] Swuden 1 points 20 hours ago

I don’t disagree, but that’s not what most people care about.

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