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[–] Burn_The_Right 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Coming soon to the U.S. courtesy of the GOP.

Conservatism is a plague.

[–] Valmond 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Resol 2 points 12 hours ago

And the Netherlands with Wilders

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Telegramm and "safe"?

Sorry, but these people must have been living under a rock (which actually is quite likely as we are talking about Russia).

Telegram has control over the content and channels and has been working with governments in the past.

[–] suction 1 points 13 hours ago

If you think Telegram isn’t a project by the Kremlin, I have a nice plot of land to sell to you. On Uranus.

[–] rdri 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is what happens when western people read such articles. They turn into denial. Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet. They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

Telegram has control over the content and channels

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

has been working with governments in the past

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

[–] Duamerthrax 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Telegram requires a phone number. That's a none starter for me. There's a huge number of services that don't. This might as well be a honey pot for trapping more lgbt people. Russia has used dating services before in their crackdowns.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Just buy a burner. Use it once to sign up and throw it away.

[–] rdri 1 points 2 hours ago

Telegram requires a phone number.

It does and it sucks. But you can still have adequate protection because knowing your number won't help authorities much. They have to find you in some group they deem illegal for anything to happen. They must find your account first, then add your number and see if that's your account. Telegram did some improvements on that issue at some point, so it should take much longer and more resources to do.

Also it's relatively easy to get a sim card not tied to your passport in Russia. Also using a cheap sim from another country is also an option, since you can set up a cloud password so that even if someone has your sim they won't access your data fully.

This might as well be a honey pot for trapping more lgbt people.

A service requirement of a telephone number is not a honey spot. But sure some groups are honey spots. Yes, authorities mainly operate within the service. It can get to overwhelming extent but that mist mean they don't have real backdoor-like access.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Telegram is basically the safest place in Russia's digital space.

Yep. Alternatives are:

  1. Mailru trash - comrade major knows everything
  2. VK trash - comrade major knows everything
  3. Whatsapp - comrade major knows your phone number, which means he knows who you are

Everything else is not popular.

these people must have been living under a rock

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

Putin does try to bring Russia into stone age. Russians are very advanced thanks for 1990-2016 period when goverment didn't try to destroy internet.

They spend more time in it because real life sucks more than in other countries.

This is true. We probably have second worst healthcare after America.

[–] Contravariant 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Is signal not a viable option? Or can you still not use it without leaking your phone-number?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Not sure about Signal. I remember times when it was phone number focused. Having visible phone number in Russia means FSB might knock on your door.

The only thing better than telegram I can think of and relatively popular is Matrix. But even in my university I don't know about anyone else, who uses it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Russians are very advanced when it comes to the internet.

I do not doubt that for marginalized groups such as the LGBTQ comunity, who have to watch every step they do. But given the restrictions placed on everyday online services in Russia I'd assume the average citizen has harder time.

Doesn't mean anything. Especially for groups who just want to communicate.

A subset of society that's marginalized at best and killed at the worst doesn't care about who can read and influence their communication? That seems highly shortsighted to me.

There is not enough evidence to support the probability of telegram making steps to make finding gay people easier for Russian authorities.

That we know of. Given that the company behind Telegram has been involved in various sketchy situations I wouldn't bet my wellbeing on a service that might or might not share information with a corrupt government..

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There's a Russian guy I know in some... adult roleplay circles.., kinkiest chap I know. I worry about him... He tried telling me Telegram was "safer", didn't know what he meant.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

He meant it is not controlled by FSB like VK and mailru shit and doesn't show phone number to entire world like whatsapp.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (71 children)

LGBTQ+ tankies on lemmy.ml and hexbear have something to say

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've heard plenty of "LGBT Rights is wrong because it means forcing Western Values on other cultures" stories from Tankies. It was enough to prove Horseshoe Theory to me.

[–] suction 1 points 13 hours ago

Rather proves those were Pro-Russia trolls posing as something else

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Lemmy is not designed to provide reasonably-hardened anonymity in the sort of way that Hyphanet, I2P, or maybe Tor or something like that is.

I would not recommend using Lemmy if I were seriously concerned about government prosecution for content on it.

Lemmy's a good alternative for something like Reddit.

[–] efstajas 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Hm. As long as you only interact with Lemmy through a (trusted) VPN, or even through Tor, you're just as safe using Lemmy as you would be any other website. Servers can always see your IP by default, and the owners of those servers can be coerced to give it away by whatever external forces. If you hide your IP, they can't. That's pretty much it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

lavender.ltgc.i2p exists. It's Lemmy instance avaliable from i2p and tor. But it's mostly pony instance.

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