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[–] Ibaudia 95 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I feel like there's a lot of these, where someone says "how do you explain [extremely basic, everyday thing] without [religion]?", it's kinda weird. Like being a certain level of religious makes you immune to all common sense.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 days ago (3 children)

In my experience of these zealot types, it's that they don't want to know the answer, and won't accept any answer that isn't literally bulletproof all the way back to the beginning of time - no matter what you tell them, God did it.

It's like playing a pigeon at chess. It'll shit on the board and then strut around like it won.

[–] ameancow 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These are emotional people with absolutely no care or enjoyment for reason or logic or learning how the world works. I believe strongly that the way our brains develop as we grow, be it influences from environment or genes or upbringing, just can go in radically different directions. Kind of like how some people have no internal monologue, or some people can't visualize images in their mind, I think some people can't comprehend the world outside of a very "mystical" interpretation, even when taught how physics and evolution work, they still will see those forces as expressions of a mystical universe with a personal, subjective God who is trying to communicate with them.

You absolutely cannot reason with this kind of perspective because it's not one of reason. The MOST you can hope for is getting them to feel something, and in this I have only ever found common ground in things like expressions of love for the universe or the beauty of nature, but that's like one person going to the baseball game to watch the game, and the other to eat the food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I believe strongly that the way our brains develop as we grow, be it influences from environment or genes or upbringing, just can go in radically different directions.

Well, you're right.

and the other to eat the food.

Bad deal, stadion food is usually overpriced.

[–] Viking_Hippie 5 points 6 days ago

won't accept any answer that isn't literally bulletproof

Quite fitting, then, that the Venn diagram of people who would literally shoot bullets at a question and people who are religious is pretty much a circle 😉

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Well that's a fairly consistent pov. "God of the Gaps" is what it's called. Ostensibly, that sort of person accepts new evidence for things, so it's probably not one of the worst ways to think

[–] MotoAsh 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, it's not "god of the gaps" to deny elementary school education.

This post is specifically selecting for the complete morons who won't even listen to a basic explanation of refraction...

If you say, "well a lot of religious people will say that!" then yes. Yes, religious people are morons.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, I'm aware of the "God of the Gaps" idea.

But that's not what I'm talking about, nor are those the types of people I'm talking about - people willing to take in new ideas are a much friendlier bunch.

The zealot types, the self-proclaimed "sceptics" don't just avoid learning about science, they actively oppose it. They ask questions like those @[email protected] said not because they want to know the answer, but because they're trying to sow seeds of doubt into those who see them.

Those questions aren't made for you or I to answer - and if you do try, they'll shout you down or sandbag you until you give up.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I think what they are trying to say is that the emotional experience they have when they look at a sunset is similar to the emotional experience that gives them conviction that there is a God. It's not a statement of objective fact about the universe and its processes; it's a statement about their mental and emotional life and how they want to feel inside their own head.

Although, maybe they are saying that no one knows how sunsets work and so therefore a wizard did it. I would hope it is that first thing though.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

Although, maybe they are saying that no one knows how sunsets work and so therefore a wizard did it. I would hope it is that first thing though.

There is still a decent chance it's the second tbh. Fucking magnets/tide goes in etc.

[–] Confused_Emus 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

God’s just a burst of dopamine.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

“Tide comes in, tide goes out. You can’t explain that!” —Bill O’Reilly

[–] FilthyShrooms 51 points 6 days ago
[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] SPRUNT 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's not that we can't explain it, it's that you can't understand it.

[–] Etterra 12 points 6 days ago

Also she used the wrong "there."

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] samus12345 12 points 6 days ago

Get a ball, hold it between your eye and a light source. I know that some natural phenomena are hard to explain, but this one is really easy to conceptualize.

[–] Toneswirly 9 points 6 days ago

Tide comes in, tide goes out. Explain that, atheists!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

My favourite is the one where they use bananas as proof of God. (Always boring monothiests, too..

[–] iAvicenna 6 points 6 days ago

THEIRS IS NO GOD. THE ONLY TRUE GOD IS THOR

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Same way I'd explain a sciency-type person who doesn't know the difference between there, their and they're.

[–] niktemadur 5 points 6 days ago

Their is the ciense

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Sunset and twilight are my fave parts of the day. The colours are just so pretty...Thank you, rayleigh scattering!

[–] FinalRemix 3 points 6 days ago

Oh? And is this "Rayleigh" here in the room with us right now??

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