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““If we jail Trump, get rid of Maga, end the electoral college, ban voter ID, censor free speech, we’ll save democracy,” says one meme in a QAnon channel on Telegram that depicts Biden in a Nazi uniform with a Hitler mustache”

Apparently they at least understand their opponent’s view .

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Your daily reminder accelerationism posts are likely 70% Russian propiganda

[–] DrCake 23 points 5 months ago

Hey give some credit to America’s other enemies: China, North Korea, and Iran

[–] Passerby6497 20 points 5 months ago (7 children)

The other 30% are criminally stupid Americans who either want fascism or are too dumb to see how their actions promote the end goals that they pretend to fight against.

I've seen more than a few with post histories that legitimately make them look like they oppose fascism, but GeNoCiDe JoE makes them help the other team light a fire in the engine of the fascism train.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I put this on another post from another account, but I found it, and I’m going to paste it here:

Do it! DO IT!! Shut up talking about it, and let’s get the civil war started!! Because I suspect it will be over before supper time.

In reality all they’re going to do is talk about it, because they’re small weak little people. Look at the big bad Proud Boys. When faced with the consequences of jail, they cried like little girls and begged the judges to take pity on them. Only one defiantly yelled “TRUMP WON” on his way out is the courtroom, but that was even after he cried and groveled.

[–] Naloxone 45 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Point the first: no. War is awful no matter how short or long it is, just no.

Point the second: folks said the first American civil war was going to be short, too.

In summary, no.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

People love looking at the first civil war in conversations like this, but the next civil war is going to be nothing like it. For a likely comparison, you'd have to look at the Spanish Civil War and The Troubles in Ireland.

Americans have no fucking clue what they're asking for.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Or for a more recent events, Syria. I enjoy following modern history and geopolitics, but fuck me that is a mess of proxy forces, non-state actors, and local warlords.

If it pops off, somebody on the world stage is going to co-opt and prolong any US civil war/sectarianism to keep the US broken or distracted with a prolonged insurgency and COIN. Russia is already working to highlight any existing and/or astroturf internal division, and we’re seeing right now how effective proxies can be at causing an enemy to hurt itself in its confusion.

Iran knew that Oct7 would demand a firm response from Israeli civic and political society, and Netanyahu/the government fell for the trap. See also, 9/11.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

folks said the first American civil war was going to be short, too.

And we're still going through it! 😭

[–] frog_brawler 10 points 5 months ago

No war is a good war.

[–] Gigasser 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Might be a good time to arm up(unless you're mentally ill in a way that will make you hurt yourself or make you hurt others before any actual conflict has begun). Just in case of course.

Edit/Addendum: If you have kids, please get a gun case and please educate them about proper gun safety and how to properly check if there's any ammunition in chamber, etc. In fact, might as well take a gun safety course yourself.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

They'd shit their rascals the second bullets started flying.

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[–] zik 37 points 5 months ago

They're not wrong that democracy's under threat. But maybe the threat's from the guy who has literally said he's going to murder political opponents - y'know, the guy they support.

[–] foggy 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Given Trump's failure to maintain power when he had it, I have little faith the gravy seals will rise to an occasion while his opposition is in power.

Not saying it shouldnt be taken seriously... Saying it should be televised 🍿

[–] motor_spirit 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Agreed. I don't fear the thicc morons assembling on a large enough scale or being organized enough. These are Walmart shoppers who vacation in Florida every year for the most part, they're not going to be committed, adaptive, intelligent, resilient. They're not loyal enough to any one cause by nature, most are just vocal karen types over a bunch of superficial bs.

Will/can some of them be a problem? For sure, but... Yeah

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

I fear that those who favor the rule of law and maintaining peaceful order are even more complacent than the Q-tards. So if they have a sizeable portion of the cops on their side....

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[–] dlatch 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I will never not chuckle at gravy seals

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[–] FreakinSteve 29 points 5 months ago (8 children)

So when are all you "enlightened centrists" going to finally admit that radicalizing fascist rhetoric is not protected free speech? When are you going to admit that broadcasting blatant lies for political gain is in fact enemy combatant and insurgent behavior and that those rhetoric mills- created by the 1996 Telecommunications Act- must be shut down with extreme prejudice?

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[–] Allonzee 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The US died under Reagan as anything but a capitalist exploitation farm.

Right-wing peasant ignoramuses are darkly hilariously concerned about preserving the structure of their owner's money printer and their own subsistence.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (8 children)

We are under threat, by the domestic terrorists known more commonly as the Republican party. Maybe they could attack themselves and save America and democracy.

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[–] b3an 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is 100% overblown. It's also the same article circulating. This type of crap is to sell newspaper subscriptions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

And fear. They are bullies who want to be feared.

[–] Mango 18 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Under threat of what? The wrong people being in charge? The wrong people are ALWAYS in charge. The labels and speeches mean nothing. The fact of the matter is that power seekers end up with power because decent people won't stoop to that. Literally a random number generator would pick better politicians.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago

"the call is coming from inside the house"

[–] Sanctus 13 points 5 months ago

The tree of liberty, she thirsts. But not for what they think.

[–] pyre 11 points 5 months ago

this is peak white privilege.

random Muslims were tortured for looking like they might have been in the vicinity of a terrorist, but these guys are represented in the government.

[–] Got_Bent 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I keep think that Trump's the immediate threat but wait until some coagulated cum trickle like Stephen Miller is the candidate.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"The right" doesn't believe any such thing. "The right' doesn't exist. MAGA believes it. Probably the GOP believes it. But those two groups don't hold the patent on "conservative thinking".

Never confuse the loudest for the most numerous. They are a minority of fundamentalists who have taken over the microphones of the GOP, but the vast majority of "everyday folk" are just trying to live their lives just like you or I.

The very proof of that is Trump's guilty verdict. Do you think there weren't at least a few "conservatives" on that jury? Of course their were. But a person can be conservative and still do their duty. I'm willing to be a number of service men and women in the military are also conservative, but I have no belief that they'll suddenly "rebel" because at the end of the day, they aren't insane. I'm sure some of the capitol police on J6 lean conservative as well. But guess what, they all just did their job.

Maga is not "conservatives". In fact MAGA is not a political ideology at all; it's a very loud excuse to use hate as a weapon, nothing more. While I may not be "conservative" in any sense of the word, and believe it's a relic of history, it's not MAGA. It's a very real and tangible political thing that sadly never gets debated or talked about anymore because MAGA shouts over top of it.

[–] Dkarma 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

The thing is conservatism IS MAGA. It is the seed that bears horrible fruit.

Conservatives have never ever been the good guys in the history of the United States.

Period.

Imagine pretending the arm isn't attached to the armpit cuz it stinks less...

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have no idea the point of this argument. You have to be living in a fantasy world where a rational Republican party exists. Many people will argue that this was a time in the past, but honestly, there has never been an era of a rational Republicanism.

In America "The Right" = "Conservatives" = "Republicans" = "Trump/MAGA"

in 2016 63 Million people voted for Trump. In 2020 74 Million people voted for him.

Roughly half of American voters are backing the Republican Party and Trump in 2024. The Republican party is dominated by MAGA-style culture wars.

I get that it is comforting to believe that Fascism isn't mainstream Conservatism, but it absolutely is, and ignoring that fact does nothing to protect us against the threat that it poses to this nation and its people.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Maybe you let them go to war. Then at least you can get rid of them for another few hundred years.

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