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Been thinking of making a post like this for some time, apologies if some of this is not completely relevant: this community seems more like it's about Reddit the platform/product than Reddit the social "thing", but I'm sure a lot of people have similar experiences to mine. Maybe on some instances more than others.

Here's the one of the last comments I wrote as a regular Reddit user, on the eve of the blackout (almost a year ago to the day), under a post titled "Will your participation in Reddit change":

My comment

I will keep searching Google for Reddit help threads, but as a cultural and news aggregator I think this is the end for me. Maybe I will check it every so often. On desktop. On the old site. Until they sunset that too.
I wouldn’t be against using the first party app if it wasn’t so awful to use.
It’s a massive shame that we’ve all collectively agreed that Reddit is the de facto way to create open communities online. There were so many forums that could fill the void left by Reddit for things like tech and art and they’ve all shut down in the past decade.
I try not to be too negative about the evolution and constant growth of the userbase of the site and of the internet as a whole, but I’ve really felt like things are moving in a direction I can’t even be cautiously optimistic about lately.
I think of all the mod tools that will be defunct. The commonly cited example is that people who comment excessively on adult subs are automatically barred from commenting on the teenagers subreddit. Sure the admins can whip up functionality to do this, but this site was built on custom tools and custom CSS and all that. I think the API was one among the many secret sauces that give Reddit this staying power. These sites and forums I talked about - I used to hop from one to the next year after year. Until I found Reddit a decade ago.
I like that I choose my subs and that I don’t get algorithmically ordered sludge designed to game the algorithm on my homepage. Yes the sensibilities of the lowest common denominator redditors are gamed by people posting, but that’s (in my opinion) acceptable.
Frankly if they kept the old Reddit Gold pricing (4 bucks per month/30 annual) and gated unrestricted API access behind it I would have been inclined to finally give Reddit money. I use it a lot, I don’t mind paying now that I can afford it. But something about how it’s all going down really doesn’t fill me with confidence.
I’ve been trying to write a post about this for a while now, but I haven’t felt like it was relevant. Thanks for asking here

Reading through this is a bit funny, in retrospect, seeing how Reddit-centric my understanding of the internet had become at the time. I am happy to report that I have checked the home page maybe a half dozen times since the blackout, instead of once or twice a week like I expected. I suppose the disgusting state of the heavily astroturfed worldnews sub was a big part of it as well: for me Reddit was the one big online platform where the average visible user didn't seem to be very misinformed about Palestine (at least not by default), and it was frankly very sad to see where it got in the past few months.

I do miss Reddit, I haven't been able to replace it outright. I'm from Lebanon, and Lebanese Twitter is (if you can imagine it) even more of a toxic cesspool than regular Twitter. I'm not on Facebook (also cesspool here), I'm not on Instagram - my point is I don't get anything about my country on ostensibly user-curated social media. /r/Lebanon was very far from perfect, but it was nice to get a trickle of local news with users who were more in line with my own politics. The local news outlets focus on a lot of irrelevant crap, the sub's news feed was a bit more interesting.

One thing I loved about that subreddit was that users with more mainstream views in my country (eg. transphobia-as-default) were allowed to spout their bullshit in the subreddit with little mod pushback (if it's just JAQing off etc, not harrassing people obviously). Then the regulars would dogpile on that user's post - very refreshing! And very validating I would imagine for anyone who is used to hearing this shit everyday.

I was applying to be a mod to help keep the sub moving, at one point, but hey. Maybe that headache was never worth it. Still, I felt like I lost one of my online homes.

More generally, I have enjoyed my first year on Lemmy, although the experience has been lacking in many ways. For one, while Reddit has a reputation as a meme cemetery, the memes here are generally a bit moldier. But that's okay. The fact that there's fewer posts I think isn't necessarily a bad thing either, I think we all preferred Reddit's slightly slower homepage in 2013 than the one we left in 2023, that would regurgitate more and more from the bottom of the barrel if you were willing to keep scrolling.

I've toyed with opening a Lebanon community here on dbzer0, having opened one on FMHY that nobody used. But it wouldn't be the same, and I wouldn't know how to populate it. I posted maybe 2 non-question posts on Reddit in my decade+ of being a regular user, but I wrote tons of comments. It also helped keep my English sharper, I think.

I've reactivated my old Instagram account and it's pretty ass out there. The ad/post ratio is just egregious, and they'll just serve you random posts from random pages. I want to see my friends goddamn it, isn't this what your platform is supposed to be for? For those of you who don't know, the app will also send you a notification once or twice a day suggesting you look at "today's top reels". I have never watched a reel of my own will, fuck off.

Point being, the main platforms people use online haven't been up my alley. I can only hope the zoomer dumbphone pushback keeps expanding, and that social media starts being seen as something for older generations. Wishful thinking?

This is just a post about enshittification, everyone's favorite word, but every time I think about it for more than 2 minutes I can't help but miss a simpler internet. Some part of me was hoping it would kickstart me "growing out" of spending this much time online per day (not everyone spends a ton of time online), but it hasn't.

Also every time I ask something longer than 20 words on Discord some middle schooler will reply "yap", even in the channels designated for questions. Discord has had its uses (yes I know there's privacy concerns), but it's hardly a replacement for Reddit, or forums. Both of which are/were searchable. But enough yapping from me.

Thoughts? How has the exodus been for you? Is this how Digg users felt?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

My experience on lemmy has been very similar to my experience working in a startup. I'm constantly concerned that I've picked a sinking ship, and concerned that the people I'm on it with are not the people I'd want to sink with. But there's excitement around being a part of something that's still playing out, and being able to influence the long term trajectory.

I don't think the small community is a detractor, though. I've felt for a long time that large social media circles quickly fill with the worst kind of content, and normalizes the worst kind of behavior.

Anyway, I think the thing that makes this worthwhile is the decentralization and the knowledge that it's (for now) safe from corporate capture. I'm happy to be contributing to an alternative to for-profit social media, and that makes all the worst parts of it worth enduring

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

While Feddit.dk is still small compared to /r/Denmark, I'm quite happy with the vibes here. Most people are very well-mannered and reasonable. There's not as much complaining either - lots of people in /r/Denmark are constantly complaining about seeing a certain kind of post and you can't filter them out cause everything Danish on reddit is in that subreddit, basically.

The fediverse with a language-specific instance gives much more options for creating a good culture and splitting content into more categories when necessary.

So yea, while Feddit.dk is not at the same size as /r/Denmark, I'm quite happy with the exodus so far.

[–] kikutwo 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm permanently banning you for asking a question.

[–] Speculater 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Rule 7a, subsection III. Please read rules before commenting. No appeals.

[–] kikutwo 3 points 6 months ago

Muted 30 days lmao 🤣

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I only miss the small communities, especially the ones for video games like r/stalker. Nowhere else to talk about these things.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Like many commenters here, I am glad that I left Reddit because of the enshittification, but I do miss some of the communities that were there that didn't want to move. I don't think Lemmy has completely filled that void, but it's done a good enough job that I'm here to stay.

I've basically stopped using all other social media except for Mastodon (which I actually like way more than Twitter, even if there aren't as many users) and I feel like my life is better for it. I spend less time mindlessly doom-scrolling and more time doing things I actually enjoy. Since the Reddit blackout I've read 60 books, played more videogames, and spent more time outside.

TL:DR touch grass sometimes, it can help

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

For me, Lemmy is a bit of a mixed bag, but I'm still not returning to being active on reddit. Lemmy is very tech centric and sometimes it's a bit much. While I am interested in tech, I am also interested in art, literature, history and sports. For those subjects there aren't many posts and no, I don't want to create and mod a community. I'm just not that type of person.

I do go on reddit sometimes, when I'm bored with Lemmy or when I want to know more about a specific subject that is non-existent or very niche here. But without user account. All in all it's ok here, and it's growing. It will probably slowly continue to grow, but it's probably too complicated to go mainstream, which is a good thing imo to maintain the quality of the platform, but a bad thing for content diversity.

[–] Asidonhopo 7 points 6 months ago

Lemmy is missing the small communities and frankly, most of the medium sized communities that Reddit has. I don't find the userbase that toxic but of course there is the occasional twat to deal with, luckily the blocking system is more robust than Reddit's. Hopefully user growth will continue and people that still use Reddit will promote Lemmy and the Fediverse there enough to feed the exodus.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For the first half of my transition over to Lemmy, I found myself talking and commenting more, even if I got into fights with Tankies a decent bit. I thought that once I blocked enough tankies and their instances my experience would get a bit better, and for a while it did, but then as time has gone on, I have begun to see that federation kind of makes good moderation extremely hard and rare, and if I try to use general feeds instead of curated ones, the amount of rage bait articles making it to the top has steadily started to increase, and this is finally pushing me away from Lemmy, and unfortunately back to Reddit since someone suggested Dig at one point, and good god its UI looks like I am constantly being fed ad after ad. I may eventually transition back to Gaia Online since I'm not super happy about going back to Reddit after all the shit Reddit has pulled, but I'm missing having a source of random information gain, that isnt hardcore tailored to rage bait.

[–] TubularTittyFrog 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

lemmy still is full of weirdos who get pissed off on one comment you made on one instance and community... and will follow you around to others to harass you until you block them. it's miserable and weird.

at least they can't get you banned site-wide like they can with reddit.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler 5 points 6 months ago

I used reddit is fun, haven't really been back outside the occasional Google search that links a post. It sucks and I do miss it, kind of like an old ex you look back fondly on but things just didn't work out. I used to spend HOURS on the site and while lemmy is nice for keeping up with general world events and memes it just isn't the same.

I like to rationalize that it helps keep me in the real world instead of spending most of my time on an app. Oh and sticking to a principle and trying to support those 3rd party app creators.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I do miss it. A lot of niche communities. One example is r/Slovakia. Sometimes it even gets Q&A posts from major politicians or other people like that. Here it's dead.

Also RF-related communities. On Reddit I had a separate feed for stuff related to that: https://www.reddit.com/user/lukmly013/m/radio_stuff/new/ (I haven't been there for a year, I don't know if the communities are still relevant)
I am not even a ham, I just liked to lurk around.

And a controversial opinion: r/teenagers. I joined Reddit when I was 14. Sorting by... whatever the default is did usually bring up dumb stuff, but sorting by new had some good posts. Lots of questions, others posting their art or photos they took. Usually not something worth posting on dedicated communities, but not bad either. The quantity of posts meant there was plenty of good ones too. Usually others there were nice, unlike in real life.
It partially reminds me of [email protected]

But Lemmy has advantages too. While there's far less people, they're usually more active. On Reddit, most comments and posts received nothing. Doesn't tend to happen here.
Lemmy is also fairly technically-oriented. I feel like 70% of Lemmy user base is using Linux (desktop) at least a bit. But there's more aspects to it too like being privacy-oriented and anti-corporate, so I don't see stuff like "Just sign up for [data collection service], it's free." or "Anyone could be a billionaire if they tried hard enough." and "It doesn't matter, your [appliance] will be long obsolete before it needs a repair anyway."

But in the end, it doesn't matter as much. I joined Reddit mainly for the Linux communities. There's very much not a lack of that here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Lemmy is only good for quality discussions. It's not great at trashy threads and nonsense posts with bots, unfortunately. So you'd have to still go to Reddit for that, to get your fix so to speak.

[–] BigMikeInAustin 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There is a smaller percentage of women on Lemmy. And seems like a higher percentage of sexists. So I block a lot more accounts here.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I feel similarly often, but I think it has started to push me towards growing out of spending so much time online. Lemmy definitely has not filled the same niche reddit did, in some ways it's better but I am often disappointed what I see here as well. Even things like youtube I have started to watch less lately. It all is just starting to feel like hyper processed slop, like what am I really getting out of this thing I feel attached to?

The only social I really still enjoy lately is mastodon and that's because it's possible to make real connections with people there, it's not about making viral posts that tons of people see. Though clearly I still visit lemmy, I find myself often wondering if it's worth it.

I feel better consuming less social media, feel healthier. I have read so many books over the last year, just last month I read 16 books though that is an outlier. Not just fiction too, though that is the vast majority, but also pure math books. Smoking a lot less weed, I use to smoke it every day, I was high every day for years and years but now im close to just giving it up completely I think. I have started to exercise and eat better too and I am more willing to just be alone with my thoughts. Sometimes its painful but I think its good for me.

I don't think it's all down to just less social media, but it has been helping for sure.

Part of me often feels like if I don't check social media im like doing something wrong, not participating in the world, like I /need/ to stay informed. But social media isn't going to save the world, i'm not actually helping anyone or anything by reading and commenting on posts. Its an illusion of participation, a honey pot that just sapps away my time and my mental health and doesn't give me the things I actually want like real human connection.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I simultaneously really like Lemmy and miss Reddit. I spend less time on Lemmy than I used to spend on Reddit, which is good. However, I'd like Lemmy to have a bit more users and activity. Well, maybe we'll get there eventually. In the meantime I'm trying to be the change I want to see and I'm much more active here than I ever was on Reddit.

[–] MataVatnik 4 points 6 months ago

for me Reddit was the one big online platform where the average visible user didn’t seem to be very misinformed about Palestine (at least not by default), and it was frankly very sad to see where it got in the past few months.

This was a really big one for me, it was the clearest indicator that something had fundamentally changed on that site.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I really miss only one thing. /r/PublicFreakout. Cops beating folks? Video would be there. Protests going on anyplace? Video would be there. Magas and Proud Boys up to their bullshit? Video would be there. Etc etc.

I know [email protected] exists, but sorting by "hot" the top post is 22 days ago...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Looking back now that it's been almost a year, it feels like not a ton has changed for me with Lemmy specifically. I'm still generally not interested in the global feed (I wasn't often with Reddit's either) and mostly just poke around it in from time to time to see if my home instance has a community I should be contributing to. [email protected] is solid and probably the most "Reddit-like" out of the communities I follow. I'm still trying to help grow a couple smaller ones, but I guess at least it's good that there's still activity after a year?

The other places I've tried have been more interesting, in both good and bad ways. I first started in the Fediverse with Kbin, and it's far worse than it was a year ago. Squabbles seemed interesting for a little while until it got gross, and Tildes wasn't for me. I'm still getting my feet wet with Mastodon after finally giving up on Bluesky, and I've completely left Twitter behind. Leaving there feels good, but the best thing the exodus did for me was push me more into Discord. I'm very active there and joined on as a mod for my favorite server. I've started using the platform professionally as well.

Unfortunately, after recently discovering Revanced can patch Sync (my previous favorite Reddit app) into functionality again, I've been on Reddit a little bit more. I still haven't contributed posts or comments since I left, but sometimes I'll have to go on as part of my Discord duties. It also really doesn't help that NSFW Reddit is indispensable. A year later, I haven't found anything that comes close in that aspect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I still poke around on there now and again, but not as much as I used to. The day they kill 3rd party apps and the old site will be the day I completely stop using it - namely because neither their app nor their redesigns are actually useable. I have no idea how people tolerate them - they are absolutely garbage. Their latest trick is adding a bunch of metadata crap in their search links completely breaking most 3rd party apps still kicking.

Next time you see a /s/ in a URL, just watch how much it expands when you visit it 🤢

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I miss some of the friendships I've formed over there. other than that, I hardly open the website at all, and when I do, it's via Redlib.

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