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[–] slazer2au 144 points 7 months ago (19 children)

Adnausem

It is built on top of unlock origin and will silently click on the ads in the background to mess with your digital footprint while costing advertisers money who use pay per click.

[–] IHawkMike 105 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 53 points 7 months ago

There are tools that allow people who buy ads to compare the performance of their ads with their own metrics.

The more ineffectual an ad platform is, the less likely ad purchasers are to purchase ads.

If 20% of American internet users used ad nauseam it would cause significant financial damage to ad companies across the globe.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

Google might not care, but if enough people install it, their advertisers sure will.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That sounds neat, but it means those ads are at least partially loaded on the background, which is also bad

[–] slazer2au 54 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

only the URL is loaded.

https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/FAQ#how-does-adnauseam-click-ads

How does AdNauseam "click Ads"?
AdNauseam 'clicks' Ads by issuing an HTTP request to the URL to which they lead. In current versions the is done via an XMLHttpRequest (or AJAX request) issued in a background process. This lightweight request signals a 'click' on the server responsible for the Ad, but does so without opening any additional windows or pages on your computer. Further it allows AdNauseam to safely receive and discard the resulting response data, rather than executing it in the browser, thus preventing a range of potential security problems (ransomware, rogue Javascript or Flash code, XSS-attacks, etc.) caused by malfunctioning or malicious Ads. Although it is completely safe, AdNauseam's clicking behaviour can be de-activated in the settings panel.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

That feature it uses to silently click ads increased the RAM usage of my browser by a lot on two separate systems (my android phone, and my PC) and since I really do not give an extra fuck about clicking ads in the background (Google still makes millions, and the plugin dev is also using the clicks to make money via affiliate) and I only care about blocking them, I went back to uBlock Origin.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I genuinely don't know how people manage without ad-blockers and other declutterers. The amount of utter shit that gets in the way of what you're trying to look at is mind boggling.

Do you want cookies? Do you want to share your details with 1049 trusted data partners? How about the top half of the screen taken by a video ad with a close button that isn't going to work? How about a redirect to something else entirely? How about the back button not working unless you spam it really quick?

This is a war, and we didn't start it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

There's also the fact that on mobile ads use up your data. I'm not paying for a data plan so advertisers can use it to shove ads down my throat because I wanted to check the weather. I've used the mobile brave browser for a few years now and I will never go back. I don't go through nearly as much mobile data as I did prior to using ad blockers.

Plus, putting ublock on my PC made youtube usable again. No more ads that are longer than the video I'm trying to watch.

I don't know how people tolerate the constant ads either. It was driving me insane and genuinely pissed me off.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Do you want cookies? Do you want to share your details with 1049 trusted data partners?

They click this thing once. 1 time only for years of "not being bothered by it" (that they notice actively).

I agree it's total shit but it is from a regular user point of view, easier to use the "i agree" button on most of that stuff once, than to try to avoid it. Constantly on the same few websites anyhow.

Still doesn't explain the no ad-block for me though, it's a whole lot easier on the mind to browse ad-free, it is well worth the tiny effort of using ff and activating ublock...

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate 88 points 7 months ago (18 children)

Old guy checking in. When ad blockers first became a thing, my then-teenaged boys started using one and were trying to talk me into it. I was pretty dubious. I said my concern was that the model most of the web was built on was ad-supported. That is, people created content on the web to try and get visitors, and made money by selling ads on their site, or used monetized links. If everyone started using ad blockers, I said, that model would break down and either people would stop creating content or they'd go to a new model, like subscriptions. I figured few people would take time equivalent to a full time job to create content for free.

I think that largely came to pass. A lot of great online publications have closed their doors, and the are lots of paywalls now. The things is, the sites are just as much to blame. Most people wouldn't have been driven to use ad blockers if the ads hadn't gotten so untenable. A banner or a box here or there is one thing, but when there are a giant number of pop-up windows, autoplay videos, windows you can't back out of, and all the other hellish stuff, people are going to be highly motivated to find a way to stop it.

That whole arms race was one of the things that ruined the internet, in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I also think a lot of people who grew up on the internet have completely and totally forgotten about how bad it really was. They had ads that would take over your computer, ads that would download viruses, ads that would use your modem to dial 1-900 numbers, ads that would open 800 uncloseable web pages full of porn and start playing loud screaming music and moaning sounds to gather the interest of every other person in the house just a shame you for using the internet.

And dear Jesus don't forget about the fucking toolbars. Dozens upon dozens of toolbars installed in every browser, everything from bonzi buddy to AOL email, detecting that a picture would be loaded on your screen and replacing it with one of theirs as an ad link.

Ad blockers have been necessary to use the internet for the last 20 freaking years.

If you're not the kind of person who would go to the STD clinic and fuck every person there without a condom, you should never use the internet without an ad block.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Going to my parents house to help fix why their computer was "running slow" and like 6 inches of their browser was all toolbars that they had no idea how they got there nor knew what they did.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, and that's what I mean when I say that the sites brought it on themselves. If the ads started reasonable, like what you'd see on the old Sunday newspaper, three wouldn't have been much reason to block them.

You also have to add on the privacy issues with all the tracking, that also drove people to use them.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I think it is worth mentioning that patreon also surfaced as a means to provide income for creators. Whether this was a direct result of ad blockers may be debatable. However, patreon certainly provides creators with an avenue to generate income that is not dependent on ads services.
Then there are also creator focused platforms like nebula and curiosity stream, which aim to provide creators with a fair share of generated revenue.
All in all, my take on the developments over the past ten years or so is that ad revenue sharing (with creators) provided an important impulse to establish the field of online content creation, and that shortcomings of this model are now being addressed. Mainly to funnel more money to the content creators rather than platform owners.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (10 children)

I think the last really big hurdle to an actually democratized internet is that we need to make it easier to host at home.

Asymmetrical download upload is such a fucking pain. I would rather have 100 down and 100 up then 400 down and 5 up like I currently do.

On top of that, there aren't a lot of good systems in place to enable me to host a website from home. If IPv6 were common it would be easy for me to secure a static IP address and to point that to my DNS resolver and attach my domain, but since I've got to be on an ipv4 system since no provider in my area provides an on-ramp to IPv6 and even if they did the Grand majority of Internet users cannot resolve IPv6 addresses, it's dead in the water.

If every person in America had symmetrical upload download and a static IPv6 address for their home, we could get rid of the grand majority of the content provider and hosts and instead use democratized systems like bluesky and Kbin and Mastodon and free tube without having to worry about these multi trillion dollar companies' bottom lines.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Not sure if arms race is the right way to put it when 1 side is deploying nukes and the other is only deploying shields. Money ruined the internet, ads is just one way how it did that.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I used to not care about ads in Google because they were minimal. I was OK with ABP "acceptable ads".

But I've since gone full scorched earth. Fuck them all, their trackers, their fake news, the terrible products. I'm still OK with ads in my search results (no longer using Google) because they are often relevant to something I'm looking for. But for the rest, the Web stopped deserving my respect. I don't consume that much content online, and I pay for most of the few things I do consume.

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[–] plz1 52 points 7 months ago (2 children)

The more popular ad blocking gets, the more I worry about the ad industry lobbying to criminalize blocking ads as "theft of revenue" or some insane concept along that line.

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[–] KISSmyOSFeddit 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/majority-of-americans-now-use-ad-blockers/ar-BB1kEhis

That's why ads are now being tested on the OS level.

The Censuswide report indicates that 66 percent of experienced advertisers use ad blockers.

lol

[–] PseudorandomNoise 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.ghostery.com/blog/privacy-report-advertisers-and-adblockers

Straight from the source.

And a funny quote I found from Cory Doctorow a year ago: "One in four web users has installed a blocker, making it (in the words of Doc Searls) the largest con­sumer boycott in history".

All sorts of people are fed up with this shit.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That, and the spam texts and calls. I hit the wall with this last night, and finally got a call/text screening app. fuck that noise.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I just don't even answer my phone anymore unless I recognize the number. It's exhausting.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Time to learn how to Linux, I guess...

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[–] PugJesus 44 points 7 months ago (14 children)

I refused to use adblockers on principle - not because I thought multibillion corpos needed more money, but because I recognized that sites using ads to sustain their business model needed views to maintain their viability in our fucked capitalist system.

Then Youtube swapped to three unskippable fucking ads after every video.

Now I just whitelist decent sites and let Adblock take care of the rest.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I wish I could semi-whitelist (graylist?) many websites, like allowing only "acceptable ads" so that the website can pay for costs and make a small profit while not blowing up my screen with ads. At the same time, many websites (Reddit, most recipe sites, and any text site with an autoplaying video) absolutely deserves a full ad blacklist for disrespecting their users so much. Still other websites deserve a full whitelist.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My man, 95% of people dont even know what a browser is and you expect those to know what an adblocker does or is? even now, all people using adblockers, or extensions in general are barely a drop in a desert dry bucket

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[–] VinnyDaCat 36 points 7 months ago (4 children)

We should be more grateful for these people. Our adblockers function because they don't bother using them.

The moment that most of society starts using adblockers is the moment they become defunct when the big corporations begin actively fighting them. I've already witnessed this with YouTube Vanced/Revanced.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Because Ublock Origin is better than AdBlock in every way? Or maybe because they're already using PiHole?

[–] guacupado 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I doubt people are using better options as an argument for this. The Youtube stuff makes the news like every other for blocking people, yet I haven't noticed any of it. If it weren't for lemmy and reddit spamming it I wouldn't have known it was possible and I'm not even doing anything crazy. Just Firefox and ublock. If people were using great options, it wouldn't have even been making the news because no one would have noticed.

[–] Cypher 14 points 7 months ago

Firefox with ublock origin was impacted, however only a set of users get the change. This way Youtube can test what impact it has.

The fact you were unaffected means nothing.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Majority of society:

  • "I don't see a problem"
  • "I don't care, it's not like my data is that valuable"
  • "But I actually like these targeted ads! I find so much good stuff this way!"
[–] [email protected] 34 points 7 months ago (1 children)

every time I hear the 3rd one I lose a little bit more faith in humanity

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It's hard to comprehend their mindset

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[–] dumblederp 31 points 7 months ago

Remember in Futurama when Fry finally goes online in the future and get attacked by ads. Or similar in Altered Carbon with whatever that contact-lens-AR thing was and the character spins out.

[–] HexesofVexes 21 points 7 months ago

I think we don't give gradual acclimatisation enough credit here. Most of my students have never heard of Firefox and tools like ublock origin because they're acclimatised to the mobile ecosystem

"How do I install something? I use the app store."

"Oh, but I already have the internet on my phone, why would I want a 3rd party app to use the internet" (think old people who mix up AOL with the internet in reverse!)

As soon as I show them, they convert in seconds - they've forgotten web pages without adverts can exist.

[–] veni_vedi_veni 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I don't know why people evangelize others using adblock. The more mainstream it becomes, the more likely websites use effort to stifle their use.

Just let's keep it on the dl so we benefit.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago

ublock does a good job of blocking ad block blockers at least on major sites.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (5 children)

When I see a person with no ad blockers use the web my brain breaks seeing all the ads. Advertising is a malevolent force. Anyone who works in marketing ranks just above people who join the armed forces, police, and weapons manufacturing in my book. I think of big tobacco as better people.

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[–] mechoman444 20 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I have no less than a dozen plugins in my browser to make the Internet usable. More than half is just for YouTube.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I was already sick of all the freaking Taylor Swift ads but Roku announcing that video ads are coming to the home screen was the last straw for me. Finally set up a Pi-hole and Roku ads are gone. I know it's an ongoing war and this is just one battle, but damn it's nice right now. I even became a supporter on Patreon. ❤️

I still run uBlock Origin on all my browsers, though.

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[–] gerowen 13 points 7 months ago

Because they're not the "default". Most folks stick with whatever comes on their device by default; Edge on Windows, Safari on MacOS/iOS, Chrome on Android, etc. Anything beyond just picking it up and turning it on requires forethought and effort, which most users don't care about.

[–] StaySquared 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Well it's really due to the fact that most people are ignorant about computer technology. I personally use pi-hole.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Y'all ever try NoScript too? Freaking wild how some sites need to use like 30 shady JavaScript modules just to function.

It's a burden, but it blocks things like the "invisible facebook pixel" for instance...

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